That was linked to already. I think that video is not entirely apropos, or at least confusing, because it never shows an artificial horizon. It zooms in on a “turn coordinator” which is not anywhere near as helpful, as it doesn’t tell you your attitude. Also no pitch information. So the exact premise of the video is not clear to me. Anyways, we’ve gone over all of this, and while I have a hard time intuitively grasping the claimed inevitability and severity of handicap (I think forgivably) caused by the psychological and physical effects described by broomstick, I do accept it, and the explanation makes sense.
I don’t think Wahlbergs claims are really all that unreasonable, and if I were him, I would not have apologized.
I know the media makes the “terrorists” out to be some kind of nearly undefeatable foe, but really the were just some jamokes with box cutters. I don’t find it that hard to believe that a guy who gets in as many fights as Wahlberg could take on those guys.
I put quotes around terrorist because I am not, or ever will be terrifed of these clowns. I’ve been in a real knife fight, and if anybody came at me with a box cutter, I’d take it shove it up their ass. I really hate that 9/11 is like some kind of religion now, you can’t say anything negative about it.
As far as landing an airliner, anybody with some decent time in MSFS with that type of plane could land the thing, and I’m not joking. The third party programs for the sim are that detailed, even back in '01.
Go to Simvation.com for first hand accounts of MSFS users flying real full size pilot sims perfectly. They let regular people do that in Europe, or at least the used to.
I haven’t been able to find the study itself but the “178 seconds to live” bit comes from a study of low time VFR pilots that the University of Illinois did way back in 1954. The video is just a dramatisation of what might happen and you shouldn’t read anything into the lack of a shot of the A/H.
Hand flying hasn’t changed at all in that time but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were flaws in methodology.
Yeah - I meant that Flight 93 wasn’t headed towards the runway by the time you needed to take it over. Although I think that getting the plane on course to a runway would probably doable in ideal weather conditions (and with them directing other planes to get out of your way). And you probably would be less phased by the cockpit than I would; grabbing the throttle while the plane’s in autopilot wouldn’t actually do much though, I think.
Richard’s explained about the runway. In some of these shows, pilots have to make a landing on other smooth ground and even they find it difficult to do so without any casualties.
I actually agree that maybe he could have taken the terrorists on and won, at least if he had back up - there were several of them and there’s not a lot of space to manouevre. If he got one then the next one’s still there to get him. He might be a street brawler and physically fit but they also weren’t exactly pampered wusses who’d never had a punch-up before.
Were they armed? I mean with knives or improvised weapons? That’d make it more difficult again.
It’s the ‘landed the plane safely’ bit that’s unrealistic, as the rest of the thread has explained, and the implication that the passengers should have taken the terrorists on really is pretty offensive. At the time everyone would have thought that was a really bad idea; they weren’t cowards.
Actually, deflecting certain controls past a certain point automatically turns off the autopilot. I don’t know if the throttle is one of them, but you shouldn’t assume that moving a control won’t have much effect in autopilot.
They also were not super humans. I think they had make shift plastic knives and maybe box cutters. I really think that it just would have taken one person to make a stand, more would have joined after that. I think Wahlberg could have easily been that guy, judging form his past.
I can maybe see why nobody on the first plane fought back, I’m sure they had no idea the planes would be crashed into buildings. As I understand it, the people on the other planes knew the first one was crashed itnto the WTC,. Why wouldn’t they fight back? I know the last one did.
From everything I read, split p&j, the first thing the hijackers did was to slash the throat of one of the stewardesses (not sure if this was done on all planes). Then they told the passengers that one of them had a bomb strapped to him. IIRC they actually had a fake bomb.
The passengers would have been in deep shock, having just witnessed a bloody murder, would be in no doubt that the hijackers would do the same to anyone else who tried anything, had no reason to disbelieve the bomb story, and would have presumed that they were being taken to land at another airport. In those circumstances, why would you try something?
The passengers on United 93 knew via cellphone conversations about the other flights that they were already doomed. Thus they, or at least a number of heroic individuals on board, realised they had nothing to lose, and thus mounted an attack.
The official meme is “It never would have happened if Mark Wahlberg was there.”
split p&j, you seem to have some mistaken ideas about Marky Mark’s past. He didn’t “get in fights”. He assaulted people more vulnerable than him. He is, in fact, an enormous pussy.
Dear Mark Wahlberg,
Shut it, you triple-nippled bitch.
Sincerely,
DianaG
Even worse then!
Not superhumans, but neither’s he, despite what he thinks; they outnumbered him and even improvised weapons make you more dangerous than otherwise. The only other people he’s on record as ‘fighting’ with are old men and people standing with their backs to him, so that’s not a point in his favour, but at least he is fit and muscular. He might have beaten them, but the odds aren’t good if he’s on his own.
I once had the opportunity to use the Air Canada A320 simulator in Vancouver and gave taking off, landing, and flying a shot. There was an instructor seated towards the back of the cockpit telling me what to do, but not actually hitting any buttons or switches, so I image that was somewhat similar to being talked down by a pilot on the ground.
I have absolutely no flight experience, but was able to get the plane down without structural damage on the first try. I bounced very hard - like the wheels hit once, we went back in the air and then came down again - and I did something wrong with the brakes so the plane didn’t stop like I’m used to, but otherwise it wasn’t too bad. I don’t remember the exact situation ( it was a few years ago ), but there was some kind of feedback system ( I think ILS ) that was telling me when I was too fast, too slow, too high, too far to the right, etc., and all I had to do was watch the indicator and keep it in a box. There wasn’t even any need to look at the runway until I was right above it and doing the final flare.
This was in a simulator with no one bleeding or screaming around me and was on a perfectly clear day, so I’d image real life could be a lot more hairy. However, its pretty clear to me that someone who is generally technically competent could, in good weather, have a good shot at landing safely.
The hardest part for me was actually on the ground prior to take off. On taxi I drove the plane off the taxiway and then hit the brakes really hard and almost threw everyone out of their seats.
Christ, you and others need to get over yourselves. He was referring to a situation where his children would be in danger. Any of you clowns bashing Mark want to dispute with me that you wouldn’t try to think of a way of saving your children from a fiery death if asked about it? Even if it was a little delusional.
The guy apologized afterwards when he had time to think about it and not just react as a father.
Kick a guy after he apologizes even though he was mostly thinking about his kids. Class acts in this thread. Class acts all the way.
Marky Mark’s cousin, is that you? Go easy on 'em, not everyone can be classy enough to blind elderly men.
Really man.. this shit happened what.. over ten years ago. Wahlberg deserves to be kicked for those dumb ass comments. He sounds like some asshat in a bar talking about what HE’D do to some guys.. the same guy who puts his hands in his pockets when actually confronted. Seek counseling of some shit.. and this isn’t the first time.. Grow the fuck up Mark.. This isn’t his “first” go around with this..
The other 36.73% of Mark Wahlberg, by weight, is pure class.
All the more reason to be sympathetic that he was just reacting to a question/discussion where his children are in a situation where the outcome is death. You mean to tell me you wouldn’t tell an interviewer that you wouldn’t do whatever you could to save your children?
Come on. I’d kind of agree with this POV if he hadn’t apologized, gut you guys are going way overboard over an apology for remarks that are perfectly understandable as he was saying it from the POV of a father protecting his children.
Yah, let’s bring up something that was relevant 20 years ago. Hey, Mark is a coked up teen running with trouble makers…oh, wait. NO he isn’t.
Way to go with giving somebody a second chance in life. Imagine if nobody ever got a chance to redeem themselves after the sins of their teen years.
Well, most people make it through their entire adolescence without seriously hurting anyone. And it seems to me that he’s certainly had his second chance, if not redeemed himself.* I’m almost certain my contempt for him bothers him not at all, but I find it kinda hilarious how much it bothers you.
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He said the right thing to do would be to try to find the blinded man and make amends, and admitted he has not done so, but added that he was no longer burdened by guilt: “You have to go and ask for forgiveness and it wasn’t until I really started doing good and doing right, by other people as well as myself, that I really started to feel that guilt go away. So I don’t have a problem going to sleep at night. I feel good when I wake up in the morning.”
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Worthless douchebag.
Where are people “going nuts?”
The thing I find really odd about that interview is that he says he’s ‘paid for’ his crimes. He spent hardly any time in prison for blinding an old man in a racist attack and has been rich and famous ever since. People can change, certainly, but I can’t see how he’s paid for his crimes.
Imagine talking someone through parallel parking a car while you’re sitting next to them watching what they’re doing. Now imagine doing it from inside a locked room via a telephone. I don’t think being instructed by someone in the simulator with you is remotely like being talked down from the ground.