I wonder if there is a way to put you in the ring with Cro Cop so that we can test your fascinating theories. 
That is not true these days. If someone jacks you up at gunpoint, you’re better off fighting back or running, because if you just hand them your wallet, they are liable to shoot you to 1) keep you from identifying them or 2) for the hell of it.
Wow that’s a whole bunch of bullshit you just made up.
Yeah, Clothahump, I was thinking the same thing. Do have any kind of cite to back up your claim?
A fairer test would be to put someone in the ring with me with equal/similar martial arts training - ie. none - and see if they can get me to cry like a big baby.
LOL ok.
I’m sorry if this point is made further upthread and if by responding to this without reading all five pages then I apologize for the breach of etiquette.
For obvious reasons I can’t site real-world examples (most street attacks aren’t filmed) but from mma past and present:
Royce Gracie (6’1" 180 lbs) vs Ken Shamrock (6’1" 205 lbs)- Shamrock, though I loathe the man and have precious little respect for him) was a top-level shooto fighter and king of pancrase. It took Gracie 57 seconds to win.
Royce Gracie vs Gerard Gordeau (6’5" 205). Gordeau was a savate champion. Gracie won at 1:42 of round one.
Fedor Emelianenko (6’ 0" 230) vs Tim Sylvia (6’8" 263 <– after cutting weight) - Sylvia (while not in his prime at the time of this fight) was a former UFC champion.
Emelianenko won after 36 seconds.
Look at the Pride Fighting Championships; it was famous for “freak-show fights” featuring a much smaller vs much bigger man, and it was often the smaller man who won.
Hong Man Choi (a 7’2" 330-367lb K-1 level kickboxer) regularly loses to much smaller opponents. His record is 12-6 in K-1 and 2-2 in MMA. It’s fair to say that each loss was to a much smaller man.
UFC 8 “David vs Goliath” - “David” won most of the fights iirc.
I’m not saying that size isn’t any sort of an advantage at all just that it isn’t near as decisive as a lot of people think. Skill, speed, conditioning, heart, luck, confidence (vs arrogance) are all at least as important, and, IMO more iportant.
It was a bad angle and they didn’t replay but I think it was a Bas Rutten special - the ole liver-kick.
I say this based on: 1)The fact that Cro-Cop’s punches didn’t seem to have enough power to drop Sapp the and the last punch looked no different
2) I’ve seen many fighters dropped with a liver-kick and the reaction is almost always the same - a second or two delay and then a slow crumpling to the right side followed by tears and or wailing.
Cro-Cop largely made his name with his legendary left-kick (though it’s usually to the head).
Some liver kicks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDCkGSKMqZM <–kick is at about 2:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wTp6wKbtYE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSNnX3zbcL8&feature=related <— granted this is a punch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6mFd00yfgk <— 7 of the 10 are clear liver shots.
Since that survey, thankfully some good news, Operation Ngena.
There are plenty of examples of more skilled fighters beating larger less-skilled fighters, I don’t argue with that. However, the smaller fighters didn’t win because of their size and strength disadvantage, they won despite their size and strength disadvantage. The argument that was made upthread, and that my post was a response to, was that being smaller and weaker was an advantage in a fight. That’s obviously nonsense (and if the topic of discussion wasn’t martial arts, everyone would know immediately that it was nonsense).
Size, strength, speed, skill, style, determination, etc. all go into the odds on the positive side, then the dice are rolled and one guy is the winner. The consistent winners will be the ones with all the odds on their side; if you like MMA then look at GSP’s training; he has a world class strength coach whose only job is to ensure that GSP is as strong, explosive, and conditioned as possible on the day of the fight. That’s because being strong is a huge advantage. Being stronger isn’t a guarantee of winning, but it definitely shifts the odds in the stronger person’s favor.
Also, regarding David v. Goliath matches; as the skill level of the average UFC fighter went up, the UFC stopped holding those matches. Between two good fighters, a huge weight disparity becomes an almost overwhelming disadvantage.
The Pride freak fights featured smaller more-skilled fighters against larger less-skilled fighters; that’s what made them interesting; could a skill difference overcome a size difference. I also remember that Pride held an open-weight tournament, which featured the most skilled fighters of each weight class (Wand, Arona, Yoshida, Barnett, Fedor, Nog, maybe Hunt, Cro-Cop, it’s been a while, I don’t remember all the participants). Who were the final two? They were the #1 and #2 heavyweights, Nog and Fedor.
Anyone who doubts that big, strong men can be agile need only watch a couple Lucha Libre or WWE shows. That it’s not a real fight only means that it can go on long enough for it to be obvious that huge, heavily muscled men can be extremely agile and quick. The “wrestlers” have to train not to get hurt or hurt each other. I’m not a fan, but I have to admit there’s one hell of a lot of skill in what they do.
Thespian skills aside, that is. 
Shouldn’t have posted from memory; the final two were Josh Barnett (the world #3 heavyweight) and Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic (probably world #4 or 5 heavyweight). Fedor (#1 heavyweight) dropped out due to a hand injury. Also, Arona wasn’ t in the competition.
This above was actually Pride’s second no-weight-limit tournament. Their first no-weight-limit tournament was held in 2000, and the winner, Mark Coleman, was also a heavyweight.
Sorry man. I obviously mistook the intent of your comment. On reading it (and others) I had gotten the impression you were saying that being bigger/stronger is always a decisive factor. Since that apparently isn’t what you were saying then I believe we agree.
Size and strength are nice but can’t be counted on against superior skill etc.
Right, size and strength don’t guarantee a win. However, you can go pretty far just by being big and strong. My favorite example of this is Sapp v. Minotauro. Sapp is a buffoon, but he’s a 330lb buffoon, and that makes him dangerous. In the linked video he almost beat the best 230lb fighter in the world, and I bet he probably would have beaten the best 150lb fighter in the world.
Between equally-skilled fighters, size and strength can be the deciding factor. Aoki is probably the best lightweight fighter in the world, and my favorite fighter. He’s probably more skilled than Fedor (though I admit that lots of people might disagree with my assessment). This is what happened when they had an exhibition match. Obviously they’re just playing around, but you can see the huge role that Fedor’s strength played (e.g., casually standing up out of an arm bar and then lifting Aoki over his head).
But there are videos of Sapp losing to other small fighters. So your describing someone as ‘The Best Fighter in the World’, is kind of hyperbole. He lost to Marko Cro Cop.
I’d like to see Bob Sapp fight Genki Sudo.
Wait, I never said Sapp was the best fighter in the world, I said he almost beat the best fighter in the world. I think Sapp is a joke; I just use him as an example of how dangerous unskilled big guys can be.
Also, Cro Cop is 230 lbs., the same size as Minotauro. He only looks small next to Sapp.
Sudo is retired (I think he hurt his back), and Sapp is effectively retired (he made so much money in Japan that he doesn’t care any more, and now he just shows up, loses quickly, and collects his paycheck)
Right, I know how big Cro Cop is, but you’ve been posting these links of Sapp taking down these guys you laud as ‘the best’, who are of similar weights to Cro Cop. I watch these guys and I’m thinking they are pretty stupid fighters. Cro Cop won because he was smarter, he didn’t get within Sapp’s range. That guy who let Sapp suplex him was dumb. If you are smaller and faster you stay out of range and do a lot of striking, you don’t go for a full frontal assault and try to grapple a guy who outweighs you by almost half again your weight.