Marvel's Black Panther re-launch

Read about it here. My reactions…

PROS
[ul][li]Will examine and detail the warrior culture of the Wakandas in a quasi-historical context.[/li][li]Will delve more into T’Challa’s personal family history.[/li][li]Will keep the technological advances of Wakandas intact.[/li][li]Will borrow many themes of Christopher Priest’s recent run.[/li][li]Will bring back Killmonger, C. Everett Ross, Queen Divine Justice and the Milaje Dora.[/li][li]Will beef up the villains, but it’s implied these will be new villains.[/li][li]Will apparently ignore the very existence of the Rev. Achebe, the lamest Joker clone ever conceived.[/ul][/li]
CONS
[ul][li]Hollywood director-producer Reginald Hudlin writes. His last celebrated hit was the first “House Party” movie. This is a big “?” for me. The buzz around the re-launch is only so-so, I’ve never seen anything outside House Party and maaaybe* Boomerang* that he’s done that interested me and nothing that suggests the ability to write competent superhero/speculative sci-fi.[/li][li]Will NOT address Black Panther’s anyeurism, the last major plot hole of the last series. His avoidance smacks of laziness, but maybe he’s just being prudent.[/li][li]Wil NOT discuss the acolyte Black Panther last seen in Priest’s THE CREW.[/li][li]Will NOT bring back Man-Ape. I thought the new take on the character had some promise, plus this guarantees marginalization of whatever Queen Divine Justice is brought back for.[/li]Does not seem to have T’Challa possess the ordinance he had in the last series (the energy dagger, kimoyo card, vibranium weave suit and vibranium soled shoes, etc.) Which would not make much sense.[/ul]

PRO:

Is one of a couple factors catalyzing Marvel to issue a TPB of the Kirby Black Panther.

–Cliffy

The last 'Panther run didn’t even go 50 issues, did it? Now don’t get me wrong, I love the Black Panther. He is actually one of my favorite characters and I thought he had one of the best early Marvel Knights runs, but I’m worried about how long this hype/launch/fail strategy is going to work for Marvel, especially once their films go out of style and are no longer super-profitable.

How much you wanna bet that they’ll be claiming this was supposed to be a miniseries all along within 2 months of its launch?

Cisco. In the interview link, Reginald Hudlin is claiming that it was intended to be a six-issue miniseries but they’ve expanded to have him do a second story arc because Marvel execs were very pleased with what they saw. We’ll see. I’ll admit that assigning John Romita, Jr. to the art chores seems to be a vote of confidence, although I wouldn’t have minded Joe Bennett going back.

The Priest-penned Marvel Knights run went to 63 issues; the last 12 explored a go-nowhere new direction storyline where a new gun-toting Black Panther runs around New York fighting the 63 Bridges crime family in a damaged. stolen Panther suit. Overly angsty with an extremely unsymapthetic protagonist who doesn’t respect the legacy of the Wakandas or even use the heart-shaped herb until the last couple of issues. When the character was spun-off on Priest’s extremely short lived THE CREW, he actually fit in there.

I’ve always thought a key weakness in the Black Panther backstory was the fluff that passed for the isolationist technophiliac Wakandan culture; some of Don McGregor’s stuff was interesting but never followed up on. Priest approached the idea of developing the ploitical aspect somewhat, then backed off in big chunks mid-run. But compared to what we know of Marvel’s Norse gods, the Inhumans, Kryptonian culture and even the Punisher’s military background we know comparitively little. How much more fun the Panther stories would have been if, after the King Solomon’s Frog storyline, they actually travelled in time to 19th century Wakanda instead of tying into the Thor-in-Texas issue Priest did 15 years earlier? I got more out of 12 issues of TOM STRONG STORIES regarding the Ozu tribe than what has been done with the Wakandas, and that’s a shame.

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Read about it here. My reactions…
[li]Does not seem to have T’Challa possess the ordinance he had in the last series (the energy dagger, kimoyo card, vibranium weave suit and vibranium soled shoes, etc.) Which would not make much sense.[/list][/li][/QUOTE]

Makes more sense than it does for a character known for his stealth to have 20 pounds of shiny gold-colored jewlery on him. I didn’t mind the gimicks at all (they were kinda cool), but I hated the look. They should be inside the costume and/or matte black.

And I’m sorry to see that this guy’s gonna continue the “He joined the Avengers only to spy on them” theme. I dunno…I just didn’t care for that. If that was a side-motive, that’d be ok, but IIRC, it was his main reason for joining per Priest. Bah.

I didn’t follow the last Panther series, but I’m somewhat interested in this just based on the artwork alone. Romita Jr. looks like he’s pulling off some really nice stuff, and I like his artwork anyway.

Might be one that I check out once it’s collected.

The gold you could lose, agreed. You could even, to a degree, lose the vibranium-weave suit. But dammit, I’m gonna miss the kimoyo card and energy dagger. big-time.

Fenris, whether spying was a primary or secondary consideration is kinda moot: it’s really cool to me that T’Challa had a self-interested motive to join the Avengers other than the obvious “it’s an honor.” BUT – the Panther-really-joined-to-spy-on-the-Avengers reveal is one of those ideas that loses its luster thanks to, sorry to say, inept execution. The Avengers found out about the Panther’s secret motives and duplicity because… the Black Panther blurted it out in the midst of a fistfight while taunting Achebe? (Or however it was done.) Oy. Stupid, stupid missed opportunity. God, I wish I had been Priest’s editor when that script came in.

Me either! It always felt to me like Marvel’s response to how Batman was being portrayed in JLA with stories like Tower of Babel. I didn’t think it made T’Challa look cool, I thought it made him look like Batman-lite.

Also, I was introduced to the Avengers by reading my dad’s comics from around the time when the Vision was introduced, so T’Challa (who I always thought had an awesome name) was part of the team. The whole thing left a sour taste in my mouth.

Kurt Busiek and Chris Priest got into it (very nicely–apparently they’re both either friends or true professionals!) on the Usenet once. Priest’s take was (in summary) “Look, T’challa comes from a super-tech culture and he’s in control of the world’s supply of vibranium–he’d be an idiot not to use it.”

Busiek’s take was “But he doesn’t need it. T’Challa could take on Batman in a stealth contest all by himself without the stuff–it’s like putting Superman inside of Iron Man’s armor–it’s not it would really help. Plus it undermines the mythic nature of the character and turns him into a good-guy equivilant of a Flash Rogue’s Gallery member with all those gimmicks” (Busiek didn’t state it nearly this harshly or negatively, IIRC)

My take is somewhere between them. The vibranium shoes? LOVE the concept (if they only made him drop-resistant and silent. I could lose the other powers). The vibranium weave suit? I like it, but it’s again too tough–bullet resistant not “bullet proof” would be the way to go–and as sneaky as BP is, how often is he gonna get shot at anyway? The claws gotta go. The dagger I really didn’t like. It’s a bright, shiny energy-dagger…for a sneaky character. Blah. The card for info purposes and tracking purposes fine. Priest overamped Black Pather’s power level, IMO. It’s like giving Captain America super-speed boots, a teleport cloak and a magic energy glove.

Fenris, whether spying was a primary or secondary consideration is kinda moot: it’s really cool to me that T’Challa had a self-interested motive to join the Avengers other than the obvious “it’s an honor.” BUT – the Panther-really-joined-to-spy-on-the-Avengers reveal is one of those ideas that loses its luster thanks to, sorry to say, inept execution. The Avengers found out about the Panther’s secret motives and duplicity because… the Black Panther blurted it out in the midst of a fistfight while taunting Achebe? (Or however it was done.) Oy. Stupid, stupid missed opportunity. God, I wish I had been Priest’s editor when that script came in.
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Fully agree about the execution being flawed, but in addition, the way it was done bugged me. It had a “I just read the Justice League story where it turns out Batman’s come up with ‘How To Murder The JLA’ plans and thought it was KEWL!” vibe to me. I don’t mind having a secondary “Are they as noble as they seem?” motive, but I don’t like it being his primary one.

Quick point of order – and please pardon me because i sense I’m going to be repeating myself.

T’Challa’s revelation that he joined the Avengers to spy on them was first mentioned in issue vol 2, #6 – in late 1998 or early 1999. Much later in the series – around the time of the Iron Man/Black Panther “Enemy Of The State 2” storyline – this is elaborated upon with Black Panther’s bugging Avengers Mansion and the like, but the immediate fallout – angry, shocked, resentful Avengers, was done very early in (I think) issue #7. Also, Ross accidentally discovers Black Panther’s infamous Galactus Contingency Plans in T’Challa’s desk – a throwaway reference, but one that established T’Challa as a formidable, fearless planner.

Mark Waid’s “Babel” storyline with the Batman-designed JLA protocols didn’t come around until summer of 2001. So, retconning his Avengers joining aside, Black Panther out-planned Batman’s protocols by almost two years IRL. Batman aped Black Panther, NOT the other way around. (Although Priest laid the groundwork for “Enemy of the State 2” years earlier in the series.)

Re: the UseNet discussion between Christopher Priest and Kurt Busiek. Busiek has a point, up to a point, but I fully side with Priest on this. Black Panther is NOT a jungle lord Ka-Zar. He is NOT the Phantom. He is NOT a Wakandan Captain America sans shield.

He is a king, on par with Dr. Doom, Namor of Atlantis and the regal Magneto of Genosha. One who comes from a technologically advanced warrior culture. If the weaponry develops out of his culture, he should use it. If the weaponry didn’t exist before Priest, it’s because other series writers didn’t take the next logical leap in developing the culture or the character by making his arsenal the vanguard of Wakandan tech and unique materials. It makes sense for the Black Panther to use vibranium weaponry along with the physical gifts bestowed by the heart-shaped herb. Whether he “needs” it is the writer’s call-- depends on who and what he’s fighting. Which is why you’re dead wrong about the knife and claws.

Black Panther’s greatest enemy is the man who killed his father. The energy dagger, the vibranium tipped claws, are all designed to deal with Ulysses Klaw’s immense sonic powers. That ALONE should be reason enough for Black Panther to wield them but Priest never straight-come out and said that. (That’s because Priest is a plot-driven writer who doesn’t do nearly enough world-building, characterization and exposition-free dialogue, but that’s another thread.)

Batman doesn’t need bat-motif Japanese throwing shriuken, a bat-glider and varied defensive and offensive ultrasonic weaponry, but when Miller put them in his arsenal in Dark Knight Returns and retconned them in Batman: Year One, the fans didn’t complain. He doesn’t need a gas-propelled batarang or body armor, but when it was introduced in the movie it was abosorbed into the overall mythos.

Worf is a Starfleet officer. But when he wears Klingon chainmail as part of his modifed uniform, and goes around lopping off Borg body parts with a bat’leth, I see it as honoring his heritage, not using superfluous weaponry

Again: the problem, in part, goes back to Priest for making these innovations without some context, like establishing early on that vibranium weapons as something historically used by elite Wakandan warriors for generations, or that they were needed for T’Challa to fight Klaw. Had he done that, T’Challa’s innovations to his ceremonial garb would be accepted much easier. But couple those weapons changes with T’Challa’s even bigger personality changes (Priest’s T’Challa was an arrogant, moody S.O.B.) and it’s easy to see why some longtime fans tended to reject him.