Individual 1 actually just called it a terrorist attack.
Surely a large number of his supporters cheered the news.
Curiosity–what does one of these rampages look like? What would one look like in places I frequent? What chances did the victims have to escape that they failed to take? What chances did the lucky ones have to overcome the shooters? Confirm it actually happened. To humanize the victims, and to make the killings real vs names or categories of people on the television. To see whether the body count is due to the specific weapon & configuration or to strategy, luck, and helplessness of the victims. I could go on, and none of my reasons would have anything resembling a pleasant orientation. To say a viewer would watch the video for kicks or worse (although this being the world it is, there are surely some) is just plain lazy and ridiculously judgmental.
For what it’s worth, I don’t look these sorts of things up because I don’t have the need and I don’t want to contribute to “hits” and popularization of the videos.
But who is posting this kind of video on twitter or youtube ???
People who play FPS video games, probably. They’re getting quite realistic.
This has Tor written all over it.
The killer said that’s partly why he chose New Zealand as a target, so that no place felt safe.
And then immediately started talking about the Evil Foreigners:
Most likely he’s perfectly happy about this, it’s standard right wing rhetoric tactics for the aftermath of right wing terrorism. Throw out some crocodile tears about deploring violence, then make it immediately clear that they actually support what happened.
I’m sure the great majority of the western Right thinks this was great, it’s just that most aren’t willing to openly admit it. But among themselves and in their own heads they’re gloating.
Or said the worshippers should have been armed - until realizing that this happened on the other side of the world.
I just heard on NBC News that the youngest surviving victim is 4 years old. 
As a rule, I stay out of the pit.
This, however, needs to be addressed. In no way does Pewdiepie support this, encourage this, and he is definitely not alt-right. He’s already condemned their actions.
Just like shooting the president to get to Jodie Foster, this in no way involves him.
I have echoed Sam Harris in pointing out in the past that these kinds of attacks are almost always inflicted by, not against, Muslims. This is a massive counterexample, and I just wanted to state for the record that I see and recognize that.
Really terrible, and I hope not the start of a trend.
Cosigned, although you seemed to undercut your point later in your comment.
I always wonder, when people get on their high horse disapproving of those of us who are curious to see these things: do they also think it was wrong for people to want to see World War II footage on newsreels in the 1940s, or decades later on the History Channel?
Undercut by, “I don’t have the need and I don’t want to contribute to “hits” and popularization of the videos”? “Need” may be the wrong word, because I like to think I would try to act against the bad guys and it would be good to have at least a basic strategy for that. I just can’t say that on any given day I’d care if I got taken out this way–it’s a personal thing. Dunno, it was clumsily worded. But I stick by the other comment about not wanting to help popularize it. I may not care if I get brained, but I’m not especially eager for it to happen.
Translation: “This makes the Right look bad, so I’d better make sure everyone knows that The Muslims Are The Real Monsters.”
You repeated yourself twice, maybe thrice, here.
Want to really go down a rabbit-hole? Check the “reactions”/comments on the Yahoo! articles about this incident. You will only be surprised at the level of vehemence of such support, not the existence itself.
“Almost always”? Do you have a cite, or is this just more ass-derived bullshit? From what I’ve seen, in the West and in Europe, mass shootings are more likely to be perpetrated by Western men, usually young and white.
Der Trihs had it right. Why ask questions of him? It would be nice if this thread didn’t turn into a slacker inc feed fest.
I expect, maybe wrongly, that these videos will be much more graphic and shocking than old WWII footages.
Also, it’s for me in large part related to the idea of seeing people in the process of dying, rather than already dead, regardless how graphic the latter could be.
Andy, I am talking about mass terrorism in advanced democracies, involving either Muslims as the killers or the primary targets.
Better get that translator checked. :rolleyes: I have always vigorously opposed the right, since I started posting here and well before. In my adult life, I voted for Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, and Hillary. And I will not be voting Trump in 2020!
Upon reading your post, I did. I opened the comments of the last published article on Yahoo news related to the topic (it was about the reaction of French Muslims at some mosque, asking them if the attack made them afraid). I just checked the original comments, not the answers to them.
Out of 22 comments, one was supportive. The 21 others were various level of anti-islam, anti-Muslims or anti-immigrant sentiment, many brutal and insulting. The 21 anti-Muslim comments garnered a total of 51 thumb down. The only supportive comment got 24 thumb down.
This is weirdly specific. I imagine if we look at all terrorism in which white supremacists are either the killers or the primary targets, we’d find that white supremacists are much, much more likely to be the killers.
We constantly hear “mentally ill people are much more likely to be the victims than the perpetrators of violence.” Is that “weirdly specific” too?
And you seem to be missing that my point was to say “this is a terrible tragedy, first and foremost; secondarily, it undercuts my thesis and I am acknowledging that.” I thought you might be glad I didn’t just go dark after this shooting, and selectively pipe up when shootings fit my narrative.