I believe its scheduled for end of November, as for protecting the plot, quite a good job. In my case i tried not to look too much for it because doing so would have ruined the movie for me. (Which is also why I’m trying all teh spoilers that are sprinkled through this thread :P)
-
November 5.
-
Other than advance screenings, they kept it completely secret. It helps that hardly any of the crew(other than the essential ones) knew what part of what movie they were working on.
[From USA Today:
I completely missed this. Does anyone know what the article is talking about?
I thought they were in the bathroom when she asked for a kiss. Then they went to the mansion (and then on to the werewolves watching a movie).
Maybe they’re talking about how The Oracle mentions how ghosts, vampires, werewolves, or whatever it was, are glitches in The Matrix, that the Twins looked like they were ghosts/demons, when Persphone killed the henchman she needed silver bullets, and that in the background of that scene was a Vampire movie. Implying that Persphone is a vampire?
Maybe?
Though that was before the kissing scene (which was in the bathroom).
Here’s an interesting philosophical review of The Matrix Reloaded.
Maybe I heard it wrong but I thought the reason Zion would be destroyed if Neo saved Trinity was because the Architect vowed he’d send the Sentinals in to destroy Zion if Neo didn’t take his offer to let just enough humans live to start over. The Architect can destroy the real, physical Zion if he wants to. What the Architect wants to avoid is the Matrix crashing & wasting all the humans connected to it. Right? Basically the Architect is willing & able to bring about the extinction of humanity if Neo crashes the Matrix, screws with the status quo.
But I think the Architect is certainly lying. He needs humans & Neo is going to call his bluff somehow, or maybe already has. Has someone suggested yet that maybe the machines need the raw processing power & storage capacity of human brains in order to exist in the numbers that they do? Normally a program survives a reboot, but if these sophisticated programs exist on a sort of human brain RAM disc then a reboot would be disasterous.
Can someone explain to me (again) how saving Trinity causes the Matrix to crash? Something to do with pressure building beyond a critical point? How does Trinity trigger it?
I remember seeing Cornell West playing one of the people who bitched at him, but I distinctly remember the guy who really did the heavy-duty bitching being a white guy. I could be wrong, though. Also, the priestly-white-guy bitched at him too if I remember correctly.
OH, interesting link to the slashdot article down there.
Bob55 , great link. Thanks. I would like to know what you boys and girls think of this part of the article: The bit about the machines needing human bio-energy to survive, as Morpheus (the dreamer) explained in the first movie, is bullshit. The machines keep humanity alive but imprisoned, even after taking over the world, because they were created to serve people. In other words, the machines would like to destroy humanity, but they CAN’T. Instead, they need a human to make the choice.
Oh, Kalt , stop. Please. Let the whole black/white thing go. The manner in which you address the topic is beginning to make me cringe…no matter how ‘not serious’ you are.
Actually, my biggest problem with the movie was that it was a big snore. There were WAY too many “prophecy scenes”:
“Why are you here?”
“Because I was meant to be here.”
“Who meant you to be here?”
“Fate.”
…zzzzzzzz…
The dustup between Neo and Seraph felt tacked on, as though the Wachowski brothers had been working on the storyboards in pre-production and decided “Well, there hasn’t been any action for a while, and after this Neo will talk to the Oracle and THAT’S going to be a dull scene so let’s make a note: INSERT KUNG-FU SEQUENCE HERE, and we’ll slap something together by and by.”
The movie is ultimately pointless, because it starts with the Sentinels tunelling to Zion and ends with, by gum, those Sentinels are STILL tunneling toward Zion. There was no single major “Luke, I am your father” revelation that makes any part of this movie necessary, just a series of cool-looking (but already shown in multiple trailers) fight scenes with no real story progress. And the non-fight scenes were dull and slow. The Zion dance party could have come straight from The Real Cancun and it’s kinda ludicrious for Morpheus to say, in effect, let’s show the machines we’re not afraid and lambada!
Strangely, for all the news that the Sentinels are coming fast, there’s seems to be plenty of time for scenes like Morpheus’s “pep talk” speech to the other two captains. What was the point of that? Actually, the whole movie has a very disjointed sense of time, as though urgency was a take-it-or-leave-it notion.
The disbeliving humans are annoying, too. How difficult would it be for Neo to stage a demonstration of his abilities? It’s clear that meetings within the Matrix are fairly easy to arrange, and if Agents show up… so what? Neo can kick their asses with ease.
Killing off an interesting character like the Keymaker was a shame, since we’re left otherwise with the humourless humans and their equally humourous pursuers. At this point, I find it hard to care whether or not the “real” world is real or not, since the moment when the Matrix Architect was revealed was such a incoherent anticlimactic pile of hooey. So how does this Matrix thing work, anyway? One percent of humanity rejects it, and eventually they escape to form Zion, which eventually becomes enough of a nuisance for the machines to get off their duffs and go wipe it out? Sounds like a clumsy design, unless the Architect gets some kinda of psycho-sexual “Hello, Clarice” thrill about having “The One” show up in his media room.
I’m glad I had free passes for this movie. Otherwise, I’d have felt cheated.
Hold on. Did Persephone not show a reflection in the bathroom mirrors?
Maybe they’re talking about how The Oracle mentions how ghosts, vampires, werewolves, or whatever it was, are glitches in The Matrix, that the Twins looked like they were ghosts/demons, when Persphone killed the henchman she needed silver bullets, and that in the background of that scene was a Vampire movie. Implying that Persphone is a vampire?
Maybe?
Though that was before the kissing scene (which was in the bathroom). **
[/QUOTE]
According to the article, you can tell what Persephone is by looking behind her in the scene where she kisses Neo. Honestly, I didn’t notice one way or the other, but they’re standing in the mens’ room, in front of a mirror. If she’s a vampire, as I think Monica Bellucci has said her interviews, she shouldn’t have a reflection - did anybody see whether one was there?
Persephone definitely had a reflection. She applies her makeup in the mirror and looks at Neo’s reflection as she’s talking about how Merovingian used to be. I was checking her lipstick color in the reflection because someone said it changes colors. I didn’t notice it, though.
Here is an unofficial transcript of the conversation between Neo and the architect as posted by DrxLecter on another board:
Yes, Persephone’s lipstick does change color, from flesh tone to pinkish, but I’m not sure if that’s significant. She did see her reflection in the mirror, though, when she was applying the flesh tone lipstick.
Perhaps this is so. I’m not entirely convinced, though. This still doesn’t account for the accuracy of the Oracle’s “prophesies.” Also, if the Matrix crashes, how will the Architect be in any position to send Sentinels to destroy Zion? There won’t be any Sentinels to send if there is no Matrix. It seems to me that the Matrix crashing would free Zion completely. The only reason why Neo would give a damn about saving the Matrix would be if he wantes to save the lives of all the humans plugged into the Matrix… but clearly he cares more about Trinity than any of that.
I’m confused about this. What makes the Architect think that Neo gives a damn about the human race if Trinity is on the line? And this whole scenario doesn’t make sense to me: if Neo chosing Trinity crashes the Matrix, why ask Neo to make such a hard choice? Why not make it reeeeeeeeeal easy for him?
I second the request for this information. It doesn’t make sense to me.
Thanks, Gozu, for the transcript. From what the Architect says, he does seem to imply that Zion is separate from the Matrix. Such as:
“But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it. The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which, coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.”
The fact that he says the destruction of the Matrix COUPLED with the destruction of Zion = the end of the human race makes it sound like Zion won’t be destroyed BY the destruction of the Matrix but, as levdrakon said, by Sentinels sent by the Architect. It’s blackmail, essentially: fix the Matrix or I level Zion right before the Matrix crashes. Thus, everyone dies if you don’t do what I want you to do.
I still don’t understand why Trinity had to get thrown into the mix. That seems to negate the blackmail offer. Also, The Architect seemed to KNOW that Neo would choose Trinity:
“As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know we you are going to do don’t we? Already I can see the chain reaction the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it.”
So why did he create that particular choice nexus for Neo, if he knew that Neo would choose Trinity?
Well, now I’m really confused…
Because Neo contains within himself the code that will allow the Matrix to reset itself and remove the fundamental instability within the system.
If Neo dosen’t join the Core, but instead returns to the Matrix to save Trinity, that instability will not be corrected, the Matrix will not be reloaded, and it will, instead, crash.
That’s my reading, anyway.
And remember, even if Zion is part of the Matrix, the story that the Architect is going to tell Neo would acknowledge this. It will be constructed from the reality that Neo thinks he knows.
obfusciatrist, your theory about why Neo must not choose Trinity sounds right to me. However, it doesn’t account for WHY that choice nexus was created. Am I wrong in thinking that Trinity’s death was a set-up? I got that sense from the fact that Neo dreamt of it, and both the Oracle and the Architect knew about it before it happened. Why put Neo into such a situation? Unless the fact that the Architect and the Oracle knew about it does NOT mean they set it up… that they are omniscient about what transpires in the Matrix, not omnipotent.
I also agree that the Architect would not tell Neo if Zion were part of the Matrix. The Matrix needs Zion to maintain itself, so if everyone in Zion knew it was a fake, that would probably really screw things up. So yeah, I guess I still have a sense that Zion is part of the Matrix… too much can be explained by it (the dreams, Neo stopping the Sentinels, etc.)
Zion was going to be destroyed no matter what choice Neo made. What the architect offered him was to reboot the Matrix saving everyone thats plugged in (and the source of energy for the machines i guess) and then to pick a few people to restart Zion with or to save Trinity and let everyone in the Matrix die which coupled with the destruction of Zion and not having those few people to wake up and start over would mean the end of humanity.