Useless? How the hell were they supposed to rescue Neo then? I think the “bondage” thing was to just show how unusual the Marovingians tastes were.
Like, Draknek said there were alot of unanswered questions from Reloaded.
I’d like to know why Seraph was glowing Golden when Neo first saw him.
I’d like to know why Neo can affect machines in the Real World (Although, I really like interficio’s theory!)
Why did Neo pass out in the end of Reloaded?
How did Smith copy himself so much?
Bah, theres a few more but I can’t remember…
Also, discussing more allusions with my family, my mom (being Indian) told me that “Sati” was the custom of an Muslim Wife commiting suicide after her husband died in a battle with the Muslims. The British then put a stop to this during Imperialism. Symbolism? I dunno, probably.
OH! And there were 6 matricies right? And each one had a “one”
Think: One, Oen, Eon, Eno, Noe, and Neo. 6 names from those 3 simple letters. Is it safe to assume these were the names of the past “ones”? (To be fair, I didn’t figure that out, and i’m not sure who did)
I am still trying to understand how everyone (human that is) can still be breathing. The sky is scorched, there are no plants, there is no photosynthesis going on. Lots of carbon dioxide being produced, no oxygen being produced should equal dead humans. Does anyone have a semi-coherent explanation or a WAG?
Breathing: In Reloaded, the couselor explains about the machines in the engineering level doing everything for survival…their water supply, their AIR supply. It is not unlikely that the tunnels that lead from Zion would also be infused with air from Zion. I’m sure it’s pretty stale air, but still breathable.
If the humans in the Matrix were all freed, they’d all be dead…Zion could not support 6 billion people all at once…they need to be unplugged slowly, at their will, which the machines will honor.
The machines ultimately wanted peace as well, but saw humans as flawed and always fighting. To destroy Zion and reboot was the best way of living. But when Neo does his thing, it enables both to coexist…a better way for both.
Neo can react with things in the Matrix because he’s been to the source. Usually this isn’t a problem, because previous one’s have gone straight to rebooting…Neo didn’t, and the connection established with the Source never truly breaks.
Anyway, I thought the fight scenes were fantastic…it was nice to not know immediately who was going to win. Neo was vulnerable again, which was quite nice. The Zion attack was intense. I thought the ending was the only real way they could have ended it. The only really bad thing was the length of Trinity’s death scene. DIE ALREADY. Our audience applauded when it was finally over.
So… the Machine[sup]TM[/sup] made a deal with Neo to uphold the peace with Humanity after the Smith Horde is dealt with. Okay.
Even assuming that the Machines will keep their word - because Lord knows that the programs can’t emulate human ideals such as duplicity or love (except that in the first ten minutes we’re explicity told that they can in fact do so) - even then, It has to trust that the humans will keep their half of the bargain. The humans’ part of “peace” should be to stop trying to destroy the Matrix, which means that humans shouldn’t be allowed to try to free anyone else from the Matrix. How long do you think they’ll stand for that?
So how long does the peace last?
Humans rebelling against the constraints of the treaty continue to free minds to get the Machines riled up again.
This necessitates programs to be created in the Matrix to stop this from happening - more Agents.
Humans say “Oh no you didn’t!”
Machines say “Bring it, bi-atch!”
They fight. And fight. And fight and fight and fight. Fight fight fight, fight fight fight.
A completely different point: I had understood that Smith had eventually taken over everyone in the Matrix by the time Neo came back. Maybe there were some monks on mountainsides in Tibet or somewhere that he couldn’t get to, but the vast majority of the world had been overwritten. What happened to them? We saw Sati, the Architect, and the Oracle made it out okay. They were all constructs, and could have reverted to original code. But the people were supposedly overwritten completely, which is what allowed Bane to be Smithified even when unplugged. When Smith was gone, what happened? Did 6.6 billion people wake up and wonder what happened? Did the world’s population become comatose? Is the original Smith still out there?
And the entire “Zion is another level of the Matrix” problem wasn’t even addressed! Don’t give Neo superpowers in the real world without explanation! Arrgh!
BraheSilver, so you’re upset that a movie depicted a flimsy peace after a terrible war? I don’t get it. Of course the peace is flimsy. Even the Oracle suggests she doesn’t know if it will last. The ending isn’t all smiles and puppy dogs. It is relief, perhaps temporary, from the same ol’ same ol’ they’d dug themselves into. they have no idea what is going to happen; everyone’s sacrifice may have been for naught.
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The impression I got was that the yellow glow were from machines brought into the Matrix, those that weren’t supposed to be there.
When Neo and Trinity arrived at Machine City and the place started getting busted up with crashed sentinels and whatnot, it would have been nice to see a scene within the Matrix where people still wandered around, oblivious to what was going on, then have a bunch of random citizens suddenly drop dead as their real-life body pods are destroyed.
All the blown potential of this movie irritates me.
As discussed earlier, Neo doesn’t have “superpowers” outside the matrix. He merely has a connection with the machine world. He could feel the sentinals in Reloaded and de-activate them. Same with the bombs in Revolutions.
If he had superpowers, Bane wouldn’t have blined him & Trinity would probably still be alive.
Come on, think about it. Everyone was Smith by that point. Even if you and I knew it was coming, within the film, they were waiting to reveal that until Neo showed up.
It’s pretty obvious that the truce will not last because in The Matrix Online, set to come out in a few months, the player will have to avoid agents while trying to free trapped humans just like it was before.
Neo was the 6th iteration of the One. 6 is not a good number in Christian symbolism. It could be that the Brothers intended him to fail all along, creating the 7th Matrix and the 7th One which would be more auspicious.
For all you people trying to explain Neo’s superpowers, consider the scene where he makes the sentinel turn intangible and fly straight through him. (Or did I misinterpret that bit? I wasn’t paying much attention during that scene.)
If Neo doesn’t have Super Powers, how could he see Agent Smith in real life, while blind? He was completely biological, thus was a far different entity from the sentinels.
Perhaps because Bane has brainwaves similar to someone jacked in, similar to Matrix-Smith? That’s my best guess. Maybe Neo would be able to see anyone jacked in, but that wasn’t ever shown in the movie.
I actually liked the movie, probably because I went into it expecting to be hugely disappointed. I haven’t spent much time deciphering the plots of the previous ones, and so while the ending was sort of weak, the movie was still quite enjoyable, which is really all I wanted from it.
I see what you’re saying, but that wasn’t really an option. It’s one of those rare moments in life where there really are only two choices, seemingly… but in reality, it seemed there was only one.
I think we’re eliding the idea of fate with the idea of predestination. I think Neo’s destiny was to reboot the Matrix. Trinity’s destiny was to love The One, to help him succeed, but die before it was all realized. All the other stuff, like saving Zion, was outside of his actual destiny. Predetermination would mean that the outcome of every action was already set; I am not asserting that. I am asserting that it was Neo’s karma, if you will, to reboot the Matrix, and that is what he did. Everything else was gravy.
What do you think the Architect wanted, then? He stated that he wanted the Matrix to be reloaded, and that The One had to enter the Source to do it. He got what he wanted, just not in the manner he thought he’d get it.
Again, you are assuming that having a certain inevitable fate = every single part of your life be predetermined. I’m not sure that’s the case.
It gave Neo the will to try. If he knew that Trinity’s imminent death was inevitable, he would probably not have given a damn about saving the Matrix or Zion. He had to have the illusion that she could be saved.
It should also be noted that the place where the humans are put in pods and jacked into the matric is miles away from the machine city. That’s what the power lines are for. Also the whole scene where they leave the pod area and have to fight their way to the machine city.
You assume that such places exist in the Matrix. For all we know, the entire Matrix is just one big anonymous 20th century American metropolis, with a few French castles here and there.
As we learned from the Architect at the end of the film, anyone who wishes to leave the Matrix will be allowed to do so. Thus no need for rebels to try to free anyone.