To co-workers, or to friends and relatives, I think it is accetable to ask them not to wear purfumes etc, in your presence. However strangers would obviously be unaware of the affect it has on you. Unlike smokers who know that their smoke it damaging. So the situation would be completly different.
Something happened which would be pretty convincing if … er … if it had happened more than once.
I was biking past a line of stopped traffic, and was nearly hit in the face by a lit cigarette, being held out the passenger-side window of a car. Terrifying, unnecessary, would not have been the same if it had been a food container.
Again, though, it doesn’t seem to be widespread. Also, could be solved by making it illegal to hold your lit cigarette in the path of (and at face-level of) oncoming pedestrian and bicycle traffic. Or maybe banning stupid people who hang their lit cigarettes out of car windows from being anywhere near me.
I am much more concerned with the butt-flicking habit. (That just sounds deliciously dirty … ) I smoke on occasion and I always throw the butt in the garbage (pulling off the burning (and biodegradable) bit, if necessary).
And banning consumption of fast food outside of fast food restaurants sounds like a damn good idea to me. I’d be curious to hear a good argument about why we shouldn’t do that.
Here’s an unsolvable dilemma: living upstairs from a smoker. My mother has a downstairs neighbor—as I used to—who smokes; our apartments fill up with their rising smoke. We open the windows, move from room to room to try to escape it.
But what can be done? Ask him not to smoke in his own apartment? Demand a no-smoking clause before renting? Neither of those is an option.
Eve - not that you want to move, but…
I seem to recall an article a while back about a non-smoking NewYork building. Now, perhaps the rent/mortgage is $1,000,000 per month, but I think there is such a thing.
My condo complex is non-smoking, for instance.
And spogga, I don’t care if you smoke, just so long as you don’t exhale.
(Dude - I’m asthmatic - your habit could kill me or hospitalize me - I get cranky when people smoke where they’re not supposed to. Pubs, of course, are excepted.)
FWIW, I’m a non-smoker. I hate smoking. I hate having to smell it, especially when I’m eating, but really all the time, so I’m very happy that it’s banned in most public places now.
That said, if I’m somewhere - a restaurant or bar - where it’s still allowed, I don’t complain. I may try to find a seat as far from the smokers as I can, but if it’s allowed, then people have the right to do it, regardless of the stupidity inherent in the habit.
That said, I would personally love it if it was outlawed and all tobacco production was converted for some other purpose. Hemp, perhaps?
You know the anti-smoking Nazis will have won when the only places people are allowed to smoke are in food and beverage containers.
Eve,
Unfortunatley, I think the only option available is to move. He has a right to smoke in his own apartment, unless otherwise specified in his lease. I can see why you’re annoyed though. I’m a smoker, and smoking indoors grosses me out.
I live in a non-smoking apartment. Of course, 90% of the apartments out here are non-smoking. It’s kind of a give-in. I think you could probably find a place that’s not astronomical in rent that’s non-smoking. It’s not like it’s that much of a rarity.
Unless I’ve been living on Mars.
Well, not exactly, but close.
Also, peppermint is known for covering up the smell of tobacco smoke. Try burning some essential oils.
Sorry you have to go through that!
[Dear Ms. Manners]
I was at a coffeehouse/restaurant yesterday, back on the outdoor deck to which the smokers are segregated. Being December, it was cold (well, Texas cold… lower 50’s F). I was enjoying my coffee and a cigarette waiting for my breakfast, when a guy joins his friends right next to my table. Please note that I was not in any way trying to camoflage my smoking- there was an ashtray, lighter and pack of smokes on the table, a burning cigarette between my nicotine-stained fingers, and a haze of smoke around my table.
Anyway, after I finish eating my food, I lit up another cigarette. most of the way threw this one, the guy turns around and looks at me with an expression on his face that said “I smell a fart.” He didn’t say anything, until the third or fourth time I glanced over, when he said “Sorry, but I’m from California.” I knew what he meant by that, but acted as if I didn’t. I just shrugged the shoulders and said “Sorry 'bout that… we all have our faults.” He repeats “Sorry, but I’m from California” as if I could do something about his place of origin. He then glares at my burning cigarette with such intensity that it would have started smoking if it wasn’t already. Finally, his friend switched places with him (since all three in their group were using laptops, this cause a bit of trouble).
Was I wrong to be smoking in a “Designated Smoking Area,” or should I have told the guy to get on the next fucking plane back to California?
[/Dear Ms. Manners]
I don’t smoke anywhere where it is not permitted by law, and will refrain from smoking if it will bother someone around me, but if a person who doesn’t like smoke goes out of his way to sit right next to someone who is obviously smoking, it’s his own damn problem.
I just love smokers and all their justifications.
You call it a habit, a slave to nicotine. You’re addicted to a legal drug that kills 400, 000 people a year in the US. Who knows how many or kills in your country. And that’s the smokers. I won’t even add on the second hand smoking deaths.
Boo fucking hoo. Quit smoking if you feel persecuted. But since you want to continue to smoke and whine about it, fine. But do it in your own space. At least learn the concept of consideration for others and not blow smoke in our faces!.
Nonsense. If you can ignite tubes of plant matter and suck the combustion products into your lungs, through your nostrils yet, without a conscious thought, you’re capable of bloody anything.
Anyway, just have smoke and calm down :D.
Hey Scoob, what coffeehouse were you at? Most of them that I can think of are among the last places totally friendly to smoking. In fact, I know of one in town that doesn’t give you grief if you and your friends are in the mood to share… uh… an herbal cigarette with your friends over coffee.
LC
Eve, I’m sorry about your problem. If I was your neighbor (when I smoked) and you asked nicely (no asskissing, just a simple, courteous request) I would accomodate you.
However, the scolds, the naggers; the integral twerps, in other words, would get smoke blown in their faces. As far as I can recall, that’s always been “fuck you” (and not a freindly one) in the States.
I’m now a drinker/smoker. I used to smoke about a pack a day, but now when I go to a bar, I would pick up a pack because invariably I am going to want one after the first beer.
I will smoke if one is offered to me, or if other people smoke. I don’t smoke in a room of non-smokers because it is rude. They don’t smoke, why should they smell mine? Same with cigars (called see-gars). I dislike them, and if I did, i would not smoke the damned thing in a restaurant where people don’t smoke them.
I knew a dude who used to bum rides off me all the time. He would smoke in my car with the window rolled up. I used to always remind that guy to roll the window down. We all have different rules and we need to live together.
ET
kavja, seeing your location explains a lot. It’s not the smokers that are whining asswhistle, it’s the anti-smoking nazis. It is a legal product, and unless it’s in a location stated as non-smoking, shut the fuck up about it.
I am SO sick of hearing the 400k death PLUS second-hand smoke. CITE IT!!! The best that can be found are correlations, NOT SCIENTIFIC PROOF! Both my parents died of cancer in thier 50’s without ever smoking. What say you now?
Being from the Bay area you should, above all, understand the importance of taxes. Every time cigarette taxes go up it’s normally justified for health care for poor children. Do you hate needy kids so much that you want to deprive them of health care paid by tobacco taxes?!? You sick fuck, SMOKE SO CHILDREN CAN LIVE!!!
Dumb question for the smokers: Why do you smoke what you smoke?
Why I ask: I’m a non-smoker, and one of those people for whom tobacco does absolutely nothing. So if you say that it makes you feel good or whatever, I’ll just have to take you at your word. (FTR, I did go through a spell a couple years ago where I tried smoking some decent cigars, but gave it up because there just really wasn’t any point to it.)
However, I really like the smell of secondhand smoke from a good cigar or pipe tobacco (or good cigarettes, for that matter), but I think that the smoke from most cigarettes smells absolutely awful–and yet the vast majority of smokers are puffing away on these nasty (IMO) cigarettes. So…well…why would you do it? Do you like the flavor? Is it a price issue? Convenience? If it’s a matter of getting a nicotine fix, why do you smoke rather than using nicotine gum or whatever? Do you ever smoke tobacco in other forms than your primary choice?
Sorry if this sounds snobbish or otherwise offensive, but I really am clueless here.
Disclaimer: Yeah, I think stale tobacco smoke is naaasty, but I also recognize that it’s legal and socially acceptable in certain venues. I go out to clubs on a weekly basis and I’ve accepted that I’m gonna come home inundated with smoke. I guess I’m just wishing that it were the type of smoke that I preferred.
I forgot to mention the most salient point to my rant. A few weeks ago I bought a carton of Eclipse cigarettes. Go to newcig.com to find out about this product.
It’s virtually smoke-free (heats rather than burns tobacco), produces about 80% less “second-hand” by-product, leaves no lingering odor, and doesn’t stain the walls/windows/etc. No, I’m not quoting sales literature, I’m talking real world experience.
Twice, I’ve STILL gotten shit for smoking. For these pinheads, it wasn’t the smell/ health issue. It was the fact I was smoking at all.
“Warning me of the dangers of smoking may be hazardous to your health”
OK KABONG you asked for it…
sharpens axe and goes looking for a Texan
** Hunter Hawk ** I smoke what I smoke purely and simply because I’m hooked and yes I do like the flavour of my particular brand.
I’ve never been inclined to try gum or patches because I enjoy my cigarettes, It’s as simple as that.
Whose experience? Your experience isn’t valid, as a smoker you are in no position to evaluate smoke odor.
80% less means 20% of the same smoke.
When are smokers going to realise that smoking is a hobby and others have no obligation to suffer in even the slightest because of someone elses hobby?
If my hobby was playing loud and bad guitar would I get as much leeway and consideration that smokers already get? I don’t think so. So what they moaning about? If people objected to my loud and bad guitar next to them in a public place, would it be ok to call them petty scolds and nags? Where do people get off oppressing loud and bad guitar players? Where’s my rights?
FG: I beg to differ, smoking is a HABIT which is hard to kick, it is most certainly not a hobby, if it were I would have chosen one less expensive.
You have no rights, now off to bed with you