Mean is great!

Someone might say ‘I make a mean pot of chilli!’ I believe that originally, statements like that were self-depreciating ways of saying you to something well. That is, a person might be saying that he makes a pot of chilli that’s not especially good nor especially bad. He’s saying it’s ‘just average’. In fact, he’s saying that he makes an exceptionally good pot of chilli; but he’s being humble.

Nowadays I get the impression that when someone uses ‘mean’ to describe something he does well, he uses it in the sense of ‘vicious’; and ‘vicious’ means that it’s so good it’s like an assault on the senses. ‘Slap yo momma good’, as it were. (If I may digress without hijacking the OP in my own thread, I understand that last means something akin to ‘This food is so good, I want to punish my mother for not feeding me anything this good when I was growing up.’)

So here’s the question: If people who say ‘I make a mean [X]’ are actually using ‘mean’ in the sense of unkind and not in the sense of average, when did this shift of the meaning take place?

It’s a good question, because “mean” has so many meanings. My feeling, supported by a certain amount of Googling, is that the “mean” here didn’t start in the “inferior quality” sense, but in the sense of being vicious, or dangerous to one’s opponents. I see quotes like, “he throws a mean fastball”. That turn of phrase started being applied to other situations, even ones that didn’t involve a cowering opponent, and so “mean” added “great” to its long list of meanings.

Etymonline.com

“No mean” was basically equivalent to a litote, as in “not unlike”. Usage often rubs off extra syllables, so changing “no mean” to “mean” was an easy step.

Yeah, that’s sick. Extremely radical. One bad etymology. Totally dope.

This usage is still attested today: “no mean feat” is a not uncommon phrase. :wink: