Meanwhile, back at the ranch... pitting the misuse of "skepticism"

I do realize it happens all the time. Words are borrowed from technical disciplines and given new meanings for everyday usage. Fine. It isn’t always a problem, and it also goes the other way. Technical disciplines borrow terms from ordinary usage, and assign them specific new meanings.

For example, “homophobia” originally meant an irrational fear or hatred of man (thus, homo). It was borrowed during the turbulent 60s and reformulated, such that the ending “phobia” did not refer to the root “homo” per se, but to the root as an abbreviation of “homosexual”. Since there needs to be a word to describe an irrational fear or hatred of homosexuals or homosexuality, I have no problem with the rebirth and refinement of this one. We need this word so that we can identify what bigots are bigotted about.

But using skepticism to mean incredulity is decidedly not necessary. We already have a perfectly cromulent word that means incredulity: it’s “incredulity”. When people say “I’m skeptical” but mean “I’m incredulous”, it sucks because they’re two distinct concepts, and you have to take time out to figure out which they mean. They might not care, but you as a thinking person do, and so the discussion begins to unravel while you attempt to determine what the illiterate crank is trying to say. And as often as not, your questioning is taken by him or her to be dodging.

Of all the fucking ironies!

This is a Pitting of Dopers who merely pretend. The majority of Dopers who claim to be skeptics probably know what they’re saying, so this rant isn’t directed at them. It’s directed solely toward the ones who proudly puff out their chests and demand evidence because they are “skeptics”.

No, dammit! If evidence that you find satisfactory will convince you of something, then you are not skeptical about it. You are merely incredulous. You’re just doubtful of it. Like Wittgenstein said, doubt functions in a context of certainty. For a thing to be doubtful, some other thing must be certain. Doubt presupposes its own resolution by evidence or argument. If there were anything I could say to you or anything I could show you that would convince you that I’m right, then all you did was doubt my side while having confidence in your own. That’s incredulity.

To be skeptical, you must be doubtful about any and all possible evidence or argument. There can’t be a proposition within the set of propositions that you will accept over the others. To be a skeptic, you must hold either [1] that X cannot possibly be true no matter what argument or evidence I supply (Academic Skepticism), or [2] that it cannot even be known whether X is true — i.e., you won’t take a side either way (Pyrrhonian Skepticism).

I think that at a place of this calibre, and in the interest of fighting ignorance, it is important that we get this right. Skepticism is a noble philosphy, and in fact, every philosophical principle can be stated in terms of its skeptical interpretation. So don’t claim to be scientific if you evaluate the truth of something based on how well it confirms your theory. Don’t claim to be rational if you reject the conclusion of an argument you cannot show to be unsound. And don’t claim to be skeptical if you’re going to demand evidence that I’m right.

:mad: […incredulous glare…]

(Oh. And here’s a reference for those interested in a more in-depth examination of skepticism without having to wade through the history of it all.)

Incredulous adj.

  1. Skeptical; disbelieving: incredulous of stories about flying saucers.
  2. Expressive of disbelief: an incredulous stare.

http://www.answers.com/incredulous

Nobody gives a shit what you think, Lib. Someday, you may come to realize that.

Hijack here, but do you have a cite for this? Parsed literally, that’s what “homophobia” ought to mean, but I wasn’t aware that it ever had been used as such. Dictionary.com doesn’t list “hatred of man” as an alternate or archaic meaning. I was under the impression that the word was freshly minted to described anti-gay bigots.

As for the rest of your OP, sorry, I don’t really care. Language changes. Complaining about it isn’t going to stop it, let alone reverse it.

This is the mother of all lost causes. The word means what its users think it means, not what one purist thinks it ought to mean.

So are you saying that you’re skeptical?

You properly capitalized it the first time in this sentence, but not the second time. Skepticism, as you describe it, is a proper noun, the name of a formal philosophy. If you use Skeptical as an adjective to describe this philosophy, you should also capitalize it. If someone does not capitalize it, then they are either not following conventional rules of written English, or they are not writing about the philosophy; instead, they are using the word to convey the concept of having doubt, of a disposition to incredulity or suspended judgment, of disbelieving and doubting.

This distinction between big-s Skepticism and small-s skepticism is also perfectly cromulent.

Daniel

Words are borrowed from technical disciplines and given new meanings for everyday usage. Fine. It isn’t always a problem, and it also goes the other way.

[…snip…]

But using skepticism to mean incredulity is decidedly not necessary. We already have a perfectly cromulent word that means incredulity: it’s “incredulity”. When people say “I’m skeptical” but mean “I’m incredulous”, it sucks because they’re two distinct concepts, and you have to take time out to figure out which they mean.

[…from the source referenced there…]

“Even before examining the various general forms of skepticism, it is crucial that we distinguish between philosophical skepticism and ordinary incredulity because doing so will help to explain why philosophical skepticism is so intriguing.”

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8299548&postcount=1

Wikipedia, in an article disputed for its neutrality about other matters, cites the Oxford Shorter English Dictionary, 2002.

Oh, sure. I agree. But you still have to determine which they mean (or else waste a lot of time gathering evidence for an actual skeptic). There are certain terms that the Dope has historically demanded proper usage of (like “theory”, for example), and I think “skeptic” should be one of them.

If nothing else, I can point back to this OP when someone wonders why I’m asking them the question.

Skeptical may, as a technical term in philosophy, mean just what you say, Liberal, but that’s not what it means in common language, nor has it meant that in common language in at least my lifetime. I’m also skeptical that the discipline of philosophy originated the word and it was absorbed into common use, rather than that it was a common word which philosophy filed off the serial numbers and assigned a technical meaning to. But you could prove me wrong.

Next up, Liberal’s war on the incorrect use of the word “liberal”.

Random House’s “Word of the Day” seems to support that.

True, and the point is taken. However, if the choice of words doesn’t matter, then the choice of rules doesn’t either. If we all write the vocabulary, then we all write the rules (since “rule” is a word, too.)

Honestly. That dude is badly in need of a life.

:smiley: Clever. In Greek, the philosophy appropriated it from the vernacular around 300 BC: “skepsis” (examination, reflection, consideration). But in English, the vernacular appropriated it from the philosophy, and by either modern definition doesn’t really coincide with the Greek vernacular term.

I’m pretty sure I already did that one years ago. Maybe not in its own thread, but still…

That’s the word I was groping for! Thanks!

I’m not sure I admit either the conclusion or the premise of your second sentence, although naturally the third sentence is correct [edit: actually, there’s some pretty interesting discussion about the degree to which the rules are written into our genome–but that discussion isn’t really relevant here, as certainly the rules for capitalization aren’t so written]. The choice of words does matter; the choice of rules does matter. The fact that we all have a (roughly) equal say in what those rules and words are in no way indicates that the choice of words or rules is irrelevant.

Look at it this way: the goal of language is to communicate ideas. Ask the overwhelming majority of English speakers out there what “skeptical” means, and you are going to find out that they mean exactly the meaning to which you object. If you use the word “skeptical” to indicate a particular type of doubt that is contingent on the provision of compelling evidence, then the listener/reader will understand you. If you use the word “skeptical” to indicate a blanket rejection of a principle regardless of the evidence, then the vast majority of your audience, including those familiar with the philosophy of capital-S Skepticism, will not take your meaning.

Similarly, since you know that the vast majority of speakers/writers use “skeptical” to indicate the former and not the latter trait, you needn’t constantly seek clarification from them: you may safely assume that they are using the word to indicate the former trait. You really only need to seek clarification if you think the speaker/writer is familiar with Skepticism but unfamiliar with (or lazy about) the rules for capitalization in English, AND if you think the speaker/writer is likely to be discussing Skepticism in a particular concept.

Such cases will be about as rare as cases in which the tense of “read” is unclear, I suspect. I am skeptical (not Skeptical) that you will really need to ask for clarification often at all.

Daniel

There’s glory for you!

Heh–excellent example. If you know your audience includes Lewis Carroll fans, then your quote perfectly conveys your meaning, and you’ve succeeded in communicating; using any word besides “glory” would not do so. If your audience does not include such fans, then you’ve failed in conveying your meaning. In either case, what the dictionary says about “glory” doesn’t have much to do with whether your communication is successful.

Daniel

The root homo in “homophobia” and “homosexual” is from the Greek word meaning “same,” not the Latin word meaning “man.” They are homophones.

I don’t really care if I’m a proper “skeptic” or not. I prefer to call myself an empiricist.

Well, you can tar me for misuse of the term, then. When I say “skeptical” I generally mean “I’m not inclined to embrace that belief without reservations. I’ve got my doubts. Show me.”

Good point, Dio. English words derived from the Latin homo seem to be rarer than from the Green homo. I’m having trouble thinking of words besides homicide and hominid (and of course human).

Daniel