medieval hygiene question

After a long hot day on the range (not the cowboy range, but a military range with, you know, M-4’s and shit) I came home so sweaty that no part of my uniform was dry. It made me wonder…

What did people smell like in medieval times? I could tke a quic shower and then I’m good. A few minutes brushing my teeth and all and my mouth is clean…

But back in say the 15th century or so? they must have been as funky as cowshit. Did they bathe regularly? How could they even keep their teeth with no real dental care? Or was it so common to smell like BO that people didn’t notice?

If you’re talking cowboys, you don’t even need to go back further than the 20th century. They stank. Big time.

My grandfather & a couple of great-uncles were cowboys. They didn’t smell real bad when I knew them, but once one of them commented that in his day, people didn’t wash their jeans. They bought them, and put them on. When they wore out too much to be good coverage they threw them out.

This came out of a conversation about my aunt’s contraption for drying and ironing jeans in one fell swoop. How’d you iron your pants out on the range, back in the old days, hey granpa? Iron them? We never even washed 'em!

They. Never. Washed. Their. Jeans.

!!!

I’m not even going to get into what-all might have gotten onto a cowboy’s jeans during this course of even one working day, let alone many.

Obviously, if you had jeans like that to get into, showering before getting dressed wasn’t even the point. But it was also my understanding they they didn’t change clothes very often, either.

I suppose if everybody smelled like that you wouldn’t even notice.

Even in 19th century America, the air was disgusting: body odor was the least of it. In New York City, pigs roamed Broadway; in middle sized cities like Rochester the horses produced enough manure to cover an acre of ground to 175 feet in a single year. Pollution control was nonexistent, so the air was filled with sulfur, ammonia, rendering and putrification. It was a time of filth: the summer was particularly awful. When reformers wrote of the corruption of the city, they weren’t just talking about Tammany hall.

Source: Bettmann (1974)

Based on too many years in the SCA and Renaissance Faire circuits, this is generally considered to be factual. Hence the establishment of the perfume industry. People did not wash and so they masked the smell with more pleasant aromas.

I’m going to have look up the history of bathing, then. There must have been a time when people thought, " hey, i’m not all funky after i wash!" and it became convenient to do so.

Serioulsy…one day. training. in the sun. I was sweaty and smelly as hell. Not to be indelicate, but my nuts were dripping with sweat. It was nasty. i can only imagine the horrible stench i would have been capable of without a shower.

Romans ‘bathed’ by applying oil to the skin and scraping it – and the dirt – off. Of course, they were also known for their actual baths. (Whether they ‘bathed’ in the modern sense, I don’t know.) There were also ritual baths used by the Jews, which were called ‘mikvahs’.

Here’s a start: The filthy, stinking truth: The messy history of cleanliness.
Excerpt: “Most people, except very rich people, didn’t use soap until about the second half of the 19th century.

If you’d like a book on the history of attitudes towards hygiene, try The Dirt on Clean - it’s pretty interesting, and very readable.

I only recently learned why all the houses in New York were built with a “stoop”—5 stairs leading up to the front door.
It’s because the street and sidewalk were completely buried under a deep layer of horse shit.

It wasn’t only the medieval days when Life was smelly…

Nowdays one showers before going into the mikvah. :slight_smile:

I generally assumed that the main reason first floors were raised was so that the basement would be able to have windows. They did have shovels back then you know, but they didn’t have electric lights.

I suspect your Grandpa & great-uncles were having some fun with you – ‘what can we make the gullible city girl believe?’

Even in the western frontier towns, a laundry was a common business. (Often started by Chinese immigrants who originally came over to work on laying railroad tracks.) Obviously, while on a cattle drive at the end of the season, cowboys didn’t have cleaning facilities. But when they arrived at the railhead, there were laundries available to them.

Also, just for economic reasons, never washing their jeans wouldn’t make sense. Clothes last much longer when washed on occasion. And jeans were a fairly sizable investment for a cowboy; they would have wanted to make them last.

The responses here range all over the place, and many are not remotely medieval (19th century is not interchangeable with the 12th, people!). Of course, to really answer the OP, we need to define ‘medieval’ and establish what place/culture he wants to know about – concepts and practices of cleanliness varied a LOT. The medieval period spanned roughly 300 A.D. to 1500 A.D.

But I shall assume you want to know about medieval Europe, as that is generally what comes to mind when Westerners think of ‘medieval’. The truth is that medieval Europeans had concepts of cleanliness, albeit rather different ones from our own. Practically speaking, it was impossible to have the daily shower that we have, simply because heating water was difficult. Bath-houses, dating from the Roman period, were popular and used by all classes. Charlemagne’s tutor and friend, Einhard, mentions at length how Charlemagne loved to bath at hot springs, and he had his palace Aachen built near a spring so that they could have hot water piped in.

It was considered good taste to have clean pots and pans and to cover food – we know this from sources such as the 15th century *Boke of Nature *by John Russell. We know a lot from courtesy books of the period what medieval people found to be good manners and good cleanliness: you would wash your guests feet when they arrived, and everyone washed their hands in a little dish before a meal. At the table they had napkins, toothpicks, and tablecloths if they could afford them.

The wealthy and noble were concerned with washing and definitely owned bathing vessels, such as those Richard Fitzalan, earl of Arundel, left in his 1397 will to his wife Philippa in which she was accoustomed to bathing before lunch and supper. Poorer people probably heated water over fires and bathed in big wooden tubs, like the one depicted in the Luttrell psalter (1320-1345). We also know that commoners bathed and swam in lakes and rivers, because there are reports of people accidently drowing in medieval records while bathing or swimming. Even noblewomen liked to swim, as in the case of Petronilla, the wife of Arnaud, lord of Guines, who Lambert of Ardres mentions in his 12th century *Lamberti Ardensis Historia Comitum Ghisnensium *as swimming in the castle fishpond in her shift on hot days.

People who could afford it also employed launderers. In the mid-to-late 15th century, Anne Stafford’s household employed two laundresses, one at Writtle and one at London. The Writtle laundress was paid 4d. a week when her mistress was in residence and 2d. a week when she was not – proof that laundry was done at least weekly. The London household had more laundry, probably because Anne Stafford had more servants and guests lodged there, and there the laundress made 1s. a week. Likewise, records for the Duke of Buckingham in 1501 make it clear that he had 11 shirts washed in an eight week period, an average of a shirt every few days (some contemporary college students don’t change shirts any more often). Soap was available and used for both human bodies and clothing.

Nor were rooms left filthy. Castles would be cleaned in anticipation of the lord’s arrival; rushes swept and replaced, the hangings and nooks and crannies dusted, and the stone floors washed down with hot water to kill fleas.

I would like to address one last myth: medieval people did not cover the taste of spoilt meat with spices. First of all, spices were incredibly expensive. Secondly, they knew what spoilt meat looked and smelled like and they didn’t eat it – they weren’t fucking idiots. They made efforts to stay clean to the best of their abilities.

SOURCE:
*The Great Household in Late Medieval England *by C.M. Woolgar, 1999.

And back in the day, one bathed before going to the mikva. One is required to be scrupulously clean before dunking, so as not to have anything on your body that might prevent the mikva water from touching any bit of your skin, and you’re supposed to use heated water, at least for your hair, so you’ll be thorough and not try to hurry out of the chill. There are medieval rabbinical writings complaining that because of the thorough bathing every month before their trip to the mikva, Jewish women had gotten to like bathing so much that they wanted to do so all the time, even when it wasn’t required.

Soap was taxed in England for a long time. And therefore was pretty much restricted to the upper classes, who could afford both the soap and the tax.

I believe the rushes such as sweet flag covered some very filthy stuff.

I’m sure they wouldn’t eat spoiled meat, but the guy who could afford a castle could afford spices for the food that went “off taste”. :slight_smile:

I’m sure it did, but they still got swept up and discarded every so often – its not like they put rushes down and left them there to rot. And like I said, spices were very, very dear – centuries later, people were *deported to Australia *for stealing pinches of pepper from their employer’s tables – and I can’t imagine they’d have been wasted on poor food.

This fellow quotes Erasmus:

I had been given to understand that one of the reasons royalty changed castles was to have it shoveled out and made livable again. :slight_smile:

The daily shower regimen that we are used to today wasn’t even common until about 40 years ago. Even in the 60s, most people bathed every couple or three days unless, of course, they had sweated a lot or for hygienic reasons, and even then, women used douches much more then than they do now. Women used to wash their hair once a week then as can be seen in older TV shows when “That’s the night I wash my hair” is the excuse used for not wanting to go out on a date with someone. Showers themselves were somewhat rare in most houses – usually there was only a bathtub, and filling a tub is a hassle compared to taking a shower – until the 70s when putting a shower in became much more commonplace.

Their diet was very different than ours. They ate virtually no sugar for one thing.