Men as lower school teachers?

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*Originally posted by shrew *
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(slight hijack of my own thread)
I only mentioned that my wife teaches in a private school because some people think that, if they pay several thousand dollars a year for their child’s education, any problem the child might have, is obviously the school/teacher’s fault. These are also parents who think that providing material goods (new cars, cellphones, etc) is just as good as being there for their kids. A bigger serving of bullshit you’ll not find. You may have seen the PBS special about a county in the Atlanta area where the high school kids (all from affluent areas with wealthy, but workaholic parents) were engaged in wild sexual antics. Nearly all said they wanted more time with their parents. This just goes to show that the type of school does not necessarily guarantee good or bad behavior.
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I saw no need to flame you or your views (if I did, we’d be in the Pit by now). While I may not agree with you on the subject, I am only looking for different viewpoints.

I have to admire anyone who takes on a teaching job in the conditions you describe. I hope, however, that you can come to grips with your feelings towards men and this subject. Stewing in your own juices is NOT healthy.

I meant no disrespect to your wife by saying I don’t teach in private school. Private school children carry a different set of problems than most of my students, but they are a very challening group to teach nonetheless. And yes, I’m very familiar with the “Lost Children of Rockdale County” documentary. I’m not far from there, but I teach a different demographic of students. All due respect to your wife.

Thank you, and I’m working on it.

Long post; sorry, but I hope it’s helpful in answering the OP.

Male here. Eight years teaching kindergarten, followed by eleven more at the first and second grade levels. (Disclaimer: I am not actually teaching this year; I am officially on leave from my school.) I work with this age because I truly connect with them. I don’t have any interest in teaching middle or high school, never have.

I have never been accused of doing anything rotten toward any of my students, boys or girls. That doesn’t mean I don’t ever think about the possibility; I do. It is absolutely true that the merest breath of impropriety can destroy a career, and nineteen years of building a stellar (if I say so myself) reputation at my school does not in any way give me immunity. So I am very careful; I have pretty clear guidelines for myself that specify what’s okay and what’s not so okay. Sometimes they seem to make a lot of sense. Other times–well, I’m not so sure.

For instance, I’ll gently drape an arm around a child (these are kids; they need and like human contact), but I won’t take a child into my lap (too open to misinterpretation). On the other hand, if a kid asks for a lap, I’ll usually allow it (and some might say I shouldn’t). Hugs–I’ll hug kids who seem to want and need hugs, but I do my best to make sure the hugs are relatively quick, that my hands and arms are obviously up near the neck and back of the shoulders, and that there is nothing remotely secretive about the action–lots of kids around, preferably an adult or two; witnesses. Not that I really think it’ll be misinterpreted. I have good rapport with kids and parents. Still, I believe it’s best to be as safe as possible.

So the year I had a teaching space with one large room and a smaller adjoining room, I kept the door open at all times whenever I was in the smaller room with students. So I favor an open look to the room; not too many spaces where a kid and an abusive teacher could engage in secret hanky-panky. A long time ago, I used to give out pretend birthday “spanks,” one for each year. The kids loved it, but I stopped doing it very early on–too dangerous. And to the extent it is possible, kids who need to change their pants for any reason (there are lots in first grade) REALLY have to do it on their own.

My female colleagues do behave somewhat differently. They’re much less concerned, I think, with hugs and laps and possible issues of privacy.

Most of the time it is really not a big issue. The stuff I listed above is mostly second nature to me now; I ‘just do it.’ All the same, once in a while something comes up that makes me aware of the potential for trouble–and reminds me of what I lose by being sensible and careful. Like the time when a family said their daughter thought I was cold. “She’d like to sit on your lap,” they said, “but you don’t invite her to.” They were right; I didn’t. I didn’t see how I could.

Although, once in a while, compassion has to trump caution. I remember a just-turned-six-year-old girl who moped half the morning one day. At recess time I was getting the kids out onto the playground and she asked if she could ask me a question. Sure, I said; just wait till everybody’s ready to go, and then hang back a moment. Turned out her beloved grandfather had gone into the hospital that morning.

What did I do? I thought then–still think–that there was only one possible response, only one human thing to do. I hugged her, and I took her in my lap, and I used touch as well as soothing words and listening ears to comfort her. In some sense I know I was lucky not to have lost my job; in some sense I know it was stupid. But I don’t see how I could have done anything else.

*Originally posted by Mr. Blue Sky *
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Lost Children of Rockdale County - PBS Frontline Special

That was one amazing show.

Mary Kay LeTourneau.

And one more for you, shrew:

Pamela Smart.

I’ve seen so many good men given up teaching lately that I want to cry. For many young children in this area, the only positive role model they will have is a male teacher, but increasingly male teachers aren’t allowed to do anything whatsoever around young kids without another (female) adult present.

While I fully accept that in days of yore some male teachers took advantage of their position of authority, given the protective behaviours my daughters are taught at school and the general community awareness of the issue of child abuse, I don’t see one good goddamn reason why my child’s teacher should have to call in another adult before he can speak to her alone or give her a hug if she skins her knee…

Seems to me that we’re losing some of the very best role models our kids could have, and for all of the wrong reasons.

iampunha, I didn’t say I knew OF no female teachers who had committed the same crime. I don’t personally KNOW Mary Kay or Pamela, so they didn’t make my list. Of course I know of them, but isn’t it interesting that out of the myriads of men who commit the heinous act, two WOMEN are the ones who are most remembered for it?

This society isn’t sexist? Whatever.

Former 3rd grade male teacher here. I taught for one year in a poor Catholic school in Jackson, Mississippi after graduation. The school and the parents were very excited to have a “man teacher” in the classroom. On orientation, a lot of my mothers would explain to me that I was going to be their child’s only male role-model, and they couldn’t be happier.

The teaching program I was in had 2 other guys teaching lower grades (2nd and 4th). The 2nd grade teacher still teaches, I believe.

I think it’s a very good thing to have male teachers. There are a lot of kids out there now with few male role-models who don’t play sports or are on the radio. It adds a different perspective, and their presence in the school as a whole is usually quite positive.

Good topic, Mr. Blue Sky.