I’m really starting to think you aren’t totally clear on how babby is formed.
Oh, so you have no statistics or facts, just your presumption that women are siphoning your cum out of trash cans. K.
Because perhaps he would like to one day choose to have a child with a woman of his choice. We do not require a woman to have a child with every man she has sex with, do we?
Sex isn’t a right. It’s a biological urge which most of us manage to undertake without creating unwanted persons. I have certainly taken charge of my personal reproductive rights every single time I’ve had sex, and I expect others to do the same.
Women choose to stay pregnant. Abortion is a wonderrful choice, but with that choice comes responsibility including the responsibility not to have a child unless the other partner is willing. No one male or female should be forced into celibacy because there is no other way to avoid being stuck with an unwanted child. It’s just that simple.
But strangely you don’t extend this expectation to women who choose to continue pregnancies against their partners wishes and deliberately bring unwanted children into the world.
So, do you think men should be free to have sex condom free, ejaculating deep within his partner, sans consequence?
I’m not sure what you’re arguing here. I don’t like kids either, but I’ve also managed to get through my adult life thus far without even accidentally creating one. It’s not that hard.
Who the hell is arguing for forced celibacy? Get a vasectomy, wear a condom, pull out, and have as much kinky, cum spewing sex as you’d like with women who also are on a few methods of birth control themselves. Is it possible for a pregnancy to result there? Sure, but it’s so incredibly unlikely that it’s hardly notable. And hell, if you’re afraid she’s going to cheek your cum like a hamster would corn, don’t cum in her mouth or on her. Cum in your hand, wash it off. If you’re afraid she’s going to siphon your semen out of a condom to sneak impregnate herself to live off of your child support riches, flush the shit down the toilet when you’re done.
Look, I love sex without condoms, but I also really, really don’t like kids. So, I make due. My pleasure takes a minor hit, but it’s worth it in the long run for me and my empty uterus.
I seriously don’t get what’s so hard about this.
No one is forced into celibacy. Everyone is free to have all the sex they like with willing partners, just as they are free to employ whatever birth control works to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
So men should choose trustworthy or sterile partners, is what you’re saying here. Agreed.
I’m sorry, I cannot believe you really think this. Between this and the commonplace spermjacking I just don’t know what to make of what you say.
You honestly and true think that all child support is needed for is food? And just bread on top of it? I’m starting to understand how you’re in a situation where $380 a month seems like a lot of money to you.
I hope there is a place to donate $ for condoms and spermicide for people who believe in this stuff because I’d like to donate to keep those genes from reproducing. Holy crap.
If the mother chooses to use it for such, as there is no law to force such. And if there is a father who can afford to pay anything. This “what’s best for the child” stuff is very selective. Enforcement of child support is vicious, but not enforcement of visitation rights which are rather more important for a child. A boy raped by an older woman is forced to pay to support her rape-baby, but then the baby is left in the custody of a child sex offender. It is curious that the “best interests of the child” always seem to coincide with whatever is best for a woman.
Like me? I’ve got no child support obligations, or unwanted children. But hold the applause, because that’s no something any man can control. If a man is raped as a child, or as an adult, or has his sperm stolen, he is held just as legally responsible as any man who pulls a condom off while having sex with a woman.
How about the the mother who choose to give birth to the child when abortion would have been a better solution and all the anti-abortion/baby worshipping idiots that support her in that decision?
OK, so clearly you believe that you are responsible.
Then if someone else uses the exact same preventative measures as you, with full knowledge that they don’t want a child, and those measures fail because they sometimes do, wouldn’t it be nice if there was some way they could avoid paying for the child they didn’t want?
Nothing about the way this could be done yet. Just: wouldn’t you consider it a good thing for people who are equally responsible as you to not be forced to play Russian roulette?
If so, then what we’re talking about is if there is any way to do it. The entire problem is money. If it wasn’t for the fact that the burden has to go somewhere, there would be no need for child support laws in the first place.
So maybe there are some conditions we could set so that those who follow the conditions would be considered acting responsibly (like you!), and would not be forced to pay child support. The conditions would have to be strict to limit the financial burden. We could also provide more methods of birth control (such as vasectomy) without the high cost. It’s not about fairness to me, it’s about trying to make the world a better place if we can.
One thing that’s not mentioned here: every single day, states across the Union are making it harder and harder for women to obtain abortions. So, for those of you saying the woman has that choice, so she should bear 100% of the responsibility if the man doesn’t want that child— what do we do in states that make it virtually impossible for a woman to get an abortion within a reasonable amount of time?
Again, you assume abortion was an option readily available to her. Remember, not everybody knows they are pregnant on day one- some folks don’t find out for weeks and weeks.
That is more than the subsistence payment paid in my country’s unemployment benefit system. And that is for a fully grown adult, not a child with a lesser caloric requirement, and is also intended to cover water, gas, electricity and all other expenses other than housing.
Obviously I wasn’t saying that the proper way to maintain a child is to bury it in wholemeal loaves, no. The point is that such a sum of money is rather extravagant and the attitude that it’s not enough for someone to try and gain through fraud or extortion is incorrect.
I have a paypal account which is open to the generous.
If their partners agree to have sex condom free, ejaculating deep within them, hell yes! That’s the whole point of sexual choice. Now if the partner wants to use condoms, and the man tricks her, I suggest a kick in the groin, the morning after pill, and never, ever having sex with such an untrustworthy person again.
You are the only one who can control your reproductive potential and where your dick goes.
Who is going to pay for these unwanted children? Are you going to ask taxpayers to make it easier for men to have sex with zero financial responsibility for the repercussions?
I think you are deliberately misunderstanding me. If sex involves responsibility of all partners and one partner can’t use their partner as an explanation for their own lack of responsibility, then women need to step up to the plate an accept the full responsibility of parenthood if they are not going to be mature about recreational sex and have an abortion when there is a birth control failure.
It is birthed by a woman, and issued with a certificate by the government. Before it is birthed it is a foetus, zygote, and the like. When it is birthed it becomes a subject of Her Majesty with full legal rights.
Pregnancies, on the other hand, are formed by a sex act, or less often by a woman undergoing artificial insemination, which may be with sperm from a sex partner, an anonymous or known donor, or the innocent victim of the theft of his sperm. These can be terminated should a woman choose to do so.
The one only becomes the other if a woman chooses for it to happen, unless she is kidnapped and held incommunicado or is Irish, and therefore unable to obtain an abortion.
No, I’ve got no statistics. I mean, who keeps tract of that? I wouldn’t know where to begin. I just googled it and immediately found enough hits to discard the idea that it’s an “absurd hypothetical”. Certainly, though, of the case I’ve heard of only two, out of more than four, have been of theft from third party sperm repositories. Therefore I stand by my previous statement.
Make abortion free (a social program I wholeheartedly support), so there should be no reasonable excuse for a woman choosing to have an unwanted child. The taxpayers should blame the person responsible: the woman who selfishly choose to bring an unwanted child into the world. I think if this were the social norm, we would have virtually no problems with unwanted children.