Even assuming that unplanned pregnancy is caught in time, occurs in a state where abortion is legal, accessible, and affordable, no. I do not believe that surgery should be forced on anyone.
Speak for yourself. Human sex is more than a biological urge. Humans are psychological, social as well as biological creatures. I have sex solely for recreational reasons (as me and my partner are committed childfree), our urges stand completely apart from procreation and are not mere side effects of the some ‘divine biological imperative’ :rolleyes:
Sure, humans have a biological urge to have sex, not necessarily to procreate, the procreation is more of the side effect. The biological urge even in animals is sexual, not driven by some ‘procreative’ desire.
Your argument here is foolish. Men biologically can just walk away from their children too, otherwise modern and enlightened societies wouldn’t be using civil means to enforce their responsibility. Bad argument, seriously.
As explicitly stated and uncontested, a man who is raped or who has his sperm stolen, or is the victim of statutory rape, will still be held responsible. So no, you are not the only one.
You mean the woman and the man who selfishly choose to create a potentially viable zygote, right?
Neither should parenthood. Stop forcing financial obligations on men for babies they never agreeded to and no one will suggest forcing surgery on women.
Only if you are going to grant the man the legal right to force the expulsion of the the zygote from the woman’s body prior to viability. Otherwise, no he’s not the selfish twit choosing to make an unwanted baby, she is.
Take a biology class, please. Sex serves a purpose; the side effects are secondary. And please note that divine isn’t capitalized; I suffer no illusion that anything other than evolution drives our urges.
I, too, have been successfully having sex primarily for recreation for 25+ years and have only conceived one wanted child, as does my partner, but I suffer no illusions that sex is removed from procreation. I guess you’ll have to credit me with taking full responsibility for my own reproductive potential, too, huh?
This argument is beyond ridiculous. I don’t have any children I don’t want; I suggest each of you take whatever steps necessary to ensure that unwanted pregancies don’t occur, and I’m not in the least inclined to encourage my government to force a surgical procedure on another human being, bail you out or excuse you from supporting the result of your having sex with a fertile partner.
For the record, I actually agree completely: abortion should be free, easy, and as accessible as possible. But that ain’t the present reality in the US, particularly in states that are trying their damndest to make abortion impossible for women who desperately want it.
But I also agree with that last lil bit Troppus just said.
It really doesn’t matter one whit who had the final say in the kid being born once they are born. Kids deserve to be supported and those who created them are the ones with the obligation. The kid should ALWAYS come first.
For virtually all of human history women had to carry the burden/pay the consequences no matter what they personally preferred (and no matter what their personal level of autonomy was where sex was concerned…women haven’t historically had a lot of say in that, either). Now they can make a choice and men have to carry a much less profound burden when they make a “mistake” based on their own personal choice. Seriously, I can’t work up a lot of sympathy.
Cool story, bro. Got any actual studies about “spermjacking”?
Here’s a crazy, rare outlier that is as rare and absurd as the nonsense you’re throwing out here.
“The rapist sued for custody and visitation rightsto the baby. In 31 of 50 U.S. states, rapists have the right to do so.”
How long do you want to play the “but what if” game?
This. And some if the things others have said. I haven’t read all the replies so maybe I’m missing something, but i don’t even understand the question. Once a child is here, there’s no “but I didn’t want it so I shouldn’t have to support it.” That’s not how courts work. The parents feelings simply don’t enter the equation, nor should they. Child support, parenting, visitation etc are not for the parents, they’re for the child that is already living in this world and that the parent helped create. They may not have wanted it, but they made it, now they’re stuck with it, period.
According to the CDC on page 48 of this report(warning: pdf), over 10% of men and over 8.5% of women reported their partner trying to get them or themselves pregnant without their consent. It may not meet a strict definition of “spermjacking” but it definitely isn’t something men just made up.
Actually, I work in clinical research so I am pretty well versed in university level human biology, anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, microbiology, clinical healthcare, etc, I was also a graduate level TA in human anatomy.
The human biological urge is for sex - not to procreate. The desire for children is a human concept.
You, your rhetoric and failed argument are doing a great disservice on this topic. You might as well be speaking as a fundy member of the RCC or quiverfull movement.
So, it happens more or less the same to men and women is what you’re saying?
You don’t think that sex evolved to be enjoyable as a way of ensuring the species would propagate?
So what drives non-human creatures to copulate? Don’t say the potential to obtain child support payments.
I know it’s not fair to the child, but I’ve always thought that a party should be able to legally sign away any obligations to an unwanted child *before[/i[ the sex act takes place.
Somehow, these guys never go for it. It seems like letting a woman know upfront that you intend to abandon your children gets in the way of their desire to have unprotected sex with you.