Meth: Before and After + Question

As a dermatologist, I see lots of itchy people and since I work in an urban HIV clinic, I see lots of methamphetamine users/abusers. Hopefully I can clarify some of what has been said already in this thread.

There are people who have never touched methamphetamine (or heroin, cocaine, etc) that scratch the hell out of themselves. Sometimes, an underlying internal or skin-associated cause is responsible (e.g. skin lymphoma, kidney failure, atopic dermatitis, scabies, and many others). Sometimes there is no apparent cause. These patients fall under the diagnostic category of neurodermatitis.

My residency mentor wholly believed that neurodermatitis is a disorder fundamentally linked to the “itch-scratch cycle,” wherein, chronically scratched skin becomes itchier. It is thought that neurological mechanisms (both in the skin and the CNS) underlie this physiology.

The changes induced by chronic scratching exist along a spectrum from mere color changes (macular amyloid), to thickening of the rubbed and scratched skin (lichenification, prurigo nodularis, lichen amyloidosis), and finally to the patients typically depicted in the anti-drug brochures with ulceration and erosion of the skin (neurotic excoriations).

The degree of insight that patients possess with regard to the cause of these conditions is also variable. Most acknowledge that they scratch the affected area often. What’s fascinating is that the compulsion to scratch is all but irresistible and in many cases requires psychotropic medications to overcome. Some patients deny any role in creating this condition. A smaller minority become convinced that an unknown parasitic infestation is responsible (Morgellon’s disease or delusions of parasitosis). This group is the most challenging to treat and have a poor prognosis unless convinced to start taking anti-psychotics (at low doses compared to standard treatment doses for “true” psychotic disorders).

So where does methamphetamine come into play? My belief is that methamphetamine is a catalyst in individuals otherwise prone to compulsive scratching. Scratching/picking at the skin probably is tied to a grooming instinct and therefore at a certain threshold is beneficial/of no harm. The threshold likely has an as of yet unknown genetic basis and varies in the population. IMHO, methamphetamine use pushes the individual towards the pathological end of the grooming/picking spectrum.

Certainly not all users are severely affected, though in my opinion the incidence of picking/scratching induced skin disease is higher in this population. Additionally, in many patients, the problem does not subside with cessation of the drug use. One of the most memorable patients from my residency was a 40 year old male who thought bugs were crawling on his skin. He was a former methamphetamine user but hadn’t done drugs in 10 years. This condition was so bothersome that he contemplated suicide several times. He often soothed his skin with alcohol or witch hazel, but most memorably, he sometimes resorted to Black Flag ant & roach spray.
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I think it is the same person. If you look closely, there are patches of light skin on the forehead of each picture which match up. Also, the ear appears to match. The change in the nose could be the result of injury.

Meth is screwing up alot of people in the Gay community… I’ve seen it time and time again… One of my (ex-) closest friends and his partner got involved in using meth while they “PNP” (Party and Play) and I didn’t see him for almost a year.

When I saw him for the first time since he started “partying”, he looked like a totally different person. He looked alot like the guys in those pictures. In fact, he looked like walking death… He had lost probably 70 pounds and looked HORRIBLE… Same sunken, vacant look for sure.

The pics look like alot of the Gay guys I’ve seen around who “play”…

choosybeggar, thank you for that insightful post. For too long, the topic of formication has been under-explored here. :wink:

Really, you’ve given me some clinically useful info for my practice. What meds do you find most helpful for those with these disorders? Do the leukotriene inhibitors benefit them at all? I’d suspect not.

I believe Stacy “Fergie” Ferguson of the Black Eyed Peas is a former meth user. She’s only 31, but I think it’s taken its toll on her-she looks a lot older than she should.

Lots and lots of things can do that, though, from genetics to meth to coke (although it takes a lot more IIUC) to (I’m sure) a range of other health issues.

I just viewed the photos in the linked page and have several additional comments:

Several appear to have effects unrelated to scratching the skin:

Top left: more weathered-appearing, nose lesion possibly traumatic, in need of a barber

Second row left: more gaunt with sunken-cheeks; weight-loss associated or HIV-medication associated changes

Second row middle: more haggard

Second row right: some lesions look good for picking-induced, others not (left eyelid)

Third row left: trauma more likely

Third row middle: trauma

Third row right: needs a barber

Bottom left: acne and trauma

Bottom middle: gaunt, pale; malnutrition, HIV?


A few are more-likely related to skin-picking:

Top middle, top-right, bottom left


Earlier in the thread, fetus remarked

As I said above, I do believe that other issue are at play with some of the depicted individuals. However, these issues do “roll” with methamphetamine use (HIV, domestic violence, homelessness, and malnutrition).

Furthermore, fetus’ testimonial that there is nothing common about these sores demonstrates the limitations of anecdotal evidence and disagreement over the definition of common more than anything else. There is a broad consensus among dermatologists, and I share in this consensus, that skin disease related to picking and scratching occurs with higher incidence in individuals actively using or with a history of methamphetamine use.

Unfortunately, I can find little research on this topic so my contribution can be rightly criticized as being anecdotal as well.

Thanks, Qag.

I’ll email you some specifics regarding therapy.

CB

Jack Shafer of Slate has done a large series of articles crankily decrying the sad state of drug reporting in this country. He’s done quite a few on meth mouth in specific, many of them linked to from this article in that series. That drug reporting in this country is a cycle of hysterias with a changing cast of demons but very little real information is nothing new; his articles are worth reading for the depth and breadth of his information. In “Crack Then. Meth Now.”, he makes explicit parallels between the hysteria and myths surrounding crack and crank. Who here was convinced that the generation of poor black babies being raised in ghettos in the 80s would be crazed maniacs because their mothers were crack addicts? The myth of the crack baby has disappeared, but the forces that created it are alive and well.

Not that it’s limited to meth. Here’s an article where he drubs the press regarding their coverage of that demon, morning glory. Yes, the flowers.

Simply a “For What it’s Worth” anecdote.

I live and work in an area that is considered “Ground Zero” for drug use in the province and possibly all of Canada. Yes, I see an awful lot of facial sores. Of the homeless women in the area, I’d say most of them have some degree of scarring. Of course a lot of it is injury and possibly acne, but an equal amount looks “picked”. There are some really frightening looking ladies out there. The saddest are the ones on the “stroll” waiting to get picked up. Sadder still are the guys who do.

You seem to think I would disagree with those two points. In fact, I agree completely.

Would you contend that methamphetamine causes those problems; or that methamphetamine culture and the same factors that drive people to use methamphetamine (as well as the emotional problems that methamphetamine abuse can create) are to blame? I would say the latter, which agrees completely with everything you said above.

I have done a fair amount of crystal (sorry, meth, I bet I just dated my self there), little bit of coke, and fair amount of random other drugs (LSD, Ecstasy, Pot, etc.). I haven’t done much of anything in years (got married, kids, a jobby job, etc.). I should call out that this is just my experience and it is highly subjective and not informed by research or even intelligence  Most of the replies have been informative and balanced, or at least caveated, but I have to wonder where some of the people are getting their info in a few posts, more like spreading ignorance than fighting it….

I loved crystal meth in high school because it was cheap, generally lasted longer than anything else other than acid, and could be taken orally. In fact, when I started in my early teens my friends and I were all worried about snorting (we thought it would get us hooked, or give us a heart attack….hmmm sometimes misinformation is a good thing….thinking about retracting earlier jibe….anyway) so we mostly took it orally, we called it parachuting because we would wrap the powder in a small amount of tissue.

I have not done very good coke so I can not speak to the difference between the two. I can say that something that was presented to me as crystal meth was quite lovely and not as harsh as anything else I have put up my nose. The format was large clear crystals that we ground very, very fine, using the card/bill method and it was a clean up and down, if a bit longer lasting than I absolutely needed.

On the one hand most of the people I did it with when I was younger did not run into problems, on the other hand one of the dealers I bought from in Portland was called “skin head Joe” and he looked like the after pictures in the OP. People who I did it with as an adult had a higher rate of issues than probably anything else, about the same as heroin. Possibly related to the amount of money and time you have for this type of thing in your twenties versus your teens. I can also say that I knew more gay men with crystal problems than anything else as well.
My experience has been that some people run into problems with meth just like anything else, but meth is easier to run into trouble with, and nastier when you do. About half the people I know who had heroin or coke problems worked them out, with out totally ruining their lives (maybe lost a girlfriend/boyfriend/job but no worse) but I don’t know of anyone of the top of my head who had a real meth problem who worked it out.

One final note, while we were out of town, sans kids, my wife and I tried some coke, just for the hell of it, and found ourselves not particularly enamored. I know this sounds glurgey (sp?), but after watching your kids being born, seeing them smile in recognition at you the first time, feeling the ferocious, unconditional love you have for them, stimulants just seem weak and pointless. Not to say that the occasional oxycodone to make all the worry/stress/neurosis go away would not be welcome. 

If it makes you feel any better, I’m not yet 20 and my prom date (who introduced me to it, actually) called it “crystal”.

I’ve heard of people doing that with heroin. Sounds like a massive waste of drugs to me, but if it kept you guys from getting hooked, more power to you.

It was probably grinding it better that did it. The first time I did meth, I snorted it with my prom date, and she had an amazing tolerance and I think she didn’t ground it up as well. The other times I had already smoked it so I wouldn’t have noticed.

…and since this one has gone way beyond the OP, I’m closing it.

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