Aha! Eight cell embryos are not kids, and thus not human. You’ve made the first step on the way to pro-choice.
Is implantation the dividing line for you? If so, why?
No. I said abortions are not done on eight-cell embryos. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You seem to read what’s not written.
I’m pro-Choice, and I don’t believe a fetus is the moral equivalent of a baby, but come on. Clearly in cases of consensual sex the mother (who knew her actions could result in pregnancy) is more responsible for the fetus being in her womb than the fetus is. If the fetus were a person, that’d be an exceptionally poor excuse to murder it.
If you actually believe that a fetus is a child and an abortion is a murder, then the U.S. has a million-plus murders per year. Do you think the women participating in this holocaust-level slaughter are sociopaths? Evil? How do you figure they manage to function in society, being child-killers and such?
The society (you included) seems to condone child-killing, so they in that society they function fine.
Well, then I guess child-killing isn’t that bad, huh? It certainly doesn’t seem to interfere with industry or finance or whatnot.
I guess you need a certain modicum of morality to realize that child killing is bad whether it interferes with industry or finance or not.
And your wrong opinion reduces women to the level of brood mares, and is the moral equivalent of rape.
It must be tragic for you to be surrounded by hundreds of millions of immoral people, then, because by all indications, a million extra “child kills” per year doesn’t seem to be a primary concern for most Americans.
The harm caused by outlawing a procedure must be weighed against the harm caused by permitting it, but the fact that harm can be demonstrated does not negate the harm a legal procedure causes. From a pro-life perspective, state sanctioned or funded abortions aren’t much different from state sanctioned assassinations. Less messy, less painful for all involved, less mired in seediness - yet still morally reprehensible.
As for defining something as human: it’s subject to the Sorites paradox and is the reason why I don’t particularly care for such a contention, as there will always be differences of opinion. Whether an entity can feel pain or not is subject to a soft problem of consciousness, but is subject to scientific investigation to some degree.
5 minuets before delivery is a (in my opinion) a silly argument, How many Abortions take place then, unless it is to save a woman’s life? And even then it would not be an abortion but a delivery of a born child.If the child were killed for no reason it would be illegal and the doctor would be jailed!
At such a stage the woman has already made the choice of keeping the Child alive.That argument doesn’t hold water!
I notice you use the word fetus, not child. Big difference!
Until it becomes a Baby it is not yet a person. Just as a fertile egg is not a chicken.Biologically that is proven. One should not be forced to abort at any stage, that is the choice a woman should have, to protect her self and perhaps the welfare of her other children if she has any! The argument called’ pro-Life’ is misleading, it should be pro-birth.
Once the fetus can be looked at and one can see it is a human being and then, not just a clump of cells, that is one way to tell it is a human being, until the it just contains human life (just as the sperm does). and the law allows the woman a choice for it to be her life or the life of what’ will ’ become a human being.One should be more pro-life of the woman than the fertile egg!
At 10 weeks, can you see it is a human being and not just a clump of cells?
Why? Because it looks like one?
That was good enough for Potter Stewart.
The brain is doing nothing at this point, its scaffolding. Might as well fight against liposuction as murder of a human being.
monavis: “Once the fetus can be looked at and one can see it is a human being and then, not just a clump of cells, that is one way to tell it is a human being.”
Thats supposed to mean something?