There are NO eyewitnesses that say Brown doubled back on Wilson. That is only Wilson’s account. The Washington Post wrote a story saying that there are some ANONYMOUS witnesses who back Wilson’s account who are afraid to come forward. But as of now, they haven’t. There are at least 8 witnesses that say Brown was STANDING when he was shot, not charging. Some say his hands were up, others not
This is what I mean when I say people read the report emotionally instead of logically. Brown was shot six times. Just because ONE shot was made when his arms were not up doesn’t mean his arms were NEVER up.
All I know is that if someone assaulted me in my house, then he ran out into the street, turned around and the final, fatal shot was in the top of his head…several people here would claim I executed him and say that the lethal force part of the engagement ended as soon as he turned his back to run…just like in that ‘help me get an idea what a jury will say’ thread.
Aye, that’s the kind of bullshit that I see in the things that aceplace keeps quoting and pointing to, but he has yet to say why he gives this report any more credence than he gives any other autopsy report.
ATM I’m guessing that it’s confirmation bias, but I dunno for sure.
Are you saying that you don’t see other people quoting first then replying to the quote when you look at posts? Because literally EVERY other person on this board and every post involving a quote (except the ones you post) have the quote > reply format.
Just like this post does.
EATA: Ah I see that others have convinced aceplace of his folly! Woot! GJ guys and welcome to more coherent posting, aceplace!
There is no test I know of that can detect active THC in urine. Could you link to that part of the autopsy report, so I can see what test they used? Thanks.
We don’t have the grand jury testimony of any witnesses. We have many accounts made to the media. Under questioning and under oath much “eyewitness” testimony turns out to be anything but. People want to be part of the story. People want to seem important. People change when news cameras are around. They repeat rumor as fact. They combine what they hear from others with what they actually saw to make themselves seem more important. During actual investigator interviews a lot of that bullshit is peeled away and a more accurate picture comes out.
I didn’t know that. Sure, you see it in TV, but I don’t recall it actually happening in real life; and certainly not in Ferguson. Is this one of those things where you believe you can’t trust any forensic lab in the country because one lab, in one city fabricated evidence?
I agree with you. Although this case is at its core about Michael Brown, the people are rioting about their treatment by the cops, the profiling, the tinge of menace the police employ, and lastly, the disrespect shown to Brown by leaving his dead body uncovered for hours in the street.
Surely that will be the prosecutors argument after the no-indictment. But no one is gonna reasonably say that a man was standing and later change that to he was charging. That’s too big of a jump.
I’m pretty sure that Johnson, who was with Brown, admitted that they stole the cigars. That kind of trumps some sort of vague attempt to review a shakey surveillance camera footage, showing Brown shoving the clerk as he’s leaving the store with a box of cigars, as paying for them.
I’m surprised people are doubting the official county medical examiner’s report. He’s not in the back pocket of small town Ferguson PD. He works for the biggest county in Missouri, St Louis County. Wiki lists the county population at close to a million people. It has to be quite a large and professional coroner’s office. The state’s trial cases rely on their reports and expert testimony. They have better things to do than cover up for one tiny town’s cops.
This case is unique in there are at least two other autopsy reports that I’ve heard about. They were conducted by the Fed Justice Dept and an expert hired by the family. A cover up just isn’t possible in this case.
I think the case has completely fallen apart. Information is getting leaked to prepare people for the grand jury’s decision. But that’s just speculation.
Have they given a date for when the grand jury will finish? Are they still hearing from witnesses?
… Or was talked into it, or talked him/herself into it, or made a mistake either time, or recognized that they were under oath and subject to the laws against perjury. Or
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I hate to tell you this but the autopsy report doesn’t dispute the account that Wilson unlawfully gunned down Brown. It’s rather neutral in that respect. You don’t have to disbelieve it to still think Wilson is guilty of murder or manslaughter.