Sure, its propaganda! I can take it! I can look stuff up! Hell, I know its only rock and roll.
Hey, I’m an uncensored Bengals fan myself. Can you pop me an email with the URL? Thanks.
So we’re bringing fat jokes into it now, are we?
Just for that, I curse you here and now to imagine Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh in a caged naked mud-wrestling smackdown, and then to spend the rest of the month trying to brain-bleach that image out of your head.
Despite the collateral damage to innocent posters.
Jusy quote the Producers in your thoughtful criticism.
fatty fatty fat fat fat
Then shut up.
Um, doesn’t the whole “Canadians own guns too” thing make it clear that he wasn’t making a simple “gun control will stop or greatly lessen school shootings” argument?
I came away from the movie with the feeling that we probably could do things that would make our culture less violent. But the reason our culture is so violent is simply because, we love and celebrate violence. A “real American” embraces violence, and violence is a logical, patriotic, manly solution to any problem.
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were simply dealing with their school problem the way our mass media culture has trained us to, with violence.
America has a violent culture because America has a violent culture.
elfkin477 I get your point, but I think you missed mine. I didn’t say “a journalistic standard of truth” it was “journalistic standard of truthiness”. The point was that documentarians are not, and should not be held to the same standard of detached neutrality that journalists usually are.
Shoulda been a paragraph instead of half a sentence :smack: .
CMC +fnord!
That movie was tangentially about gun control.
Most people missed the point. Guns were used as the “hook” to his larger points about living in a culture of fear. THAT’S the level that movie best worked on, and I think he should have been more explicit about it.
No, but I don’t give a shit. And, if I was unaware that their argument was facts, lies, and innuendo, but it was still a rousing, emotional argument that sounded good, then I’d claim that that person succeeded in their argumentative goal.
Michael Moore is using the media in the way that he sees to be effective to make a point. I’d be confident in saying that the majority of people do go away and fact check his movies on the internet.
They watch his movies and go, “A-fucking-men. That’s a huge problem and we need to fix it.”
I hold him to the standard of a propagandist, and measure him on that level.
After Fehrenheit, he told one of those morning shows that if they’d used the journalistic power they put into tearing his movie apart into tearing apart Bush’s case for war, he wouldn’t have had to make the movie.
If he’s right, that’s a fucking tragedy. The ire that he inspires from people is so out of proportion with what he’s trying to do it’s ridiculous.
Done.
Ouch, there’s an image. Makes me think of those “Celebrity Deathmatches” on MTV…Does Rush snort ground-up Oxycontins before or after the match?
Thanks for the unsolicited advice. I’ll remember that the next time I make a lame attempt to infuse humor into a thread in The Pit.
That was humor. ? You missed by miles.
The lowest of the low brow… 
Oh, low brow is perfectly fine. Unibrow, well, not so much.
Thet are orchestrated toward his conclusion (that all ills of American society are caused by an evil cabal of plutocrats). It doesn’t matter to him that events are portrayed out of sequence, or that the things he shows have no relevance to his claims-as long as it reinforces his ideas, it is OK. Like in “ROGER and ME”-Moore blames the decline of Flint, MI , on General Motors (headed by the evil Roger Smith). This despite the fact tha Flint fell into decline, largely because it was run by a highly corrupt, incompetent city government. To watck Moore’s film, GM was to blame for everything. It is so simple minded-but Moore made everything look plausible. I’d like to see a documentary on Michael Moore-exposing him for the fraud he is.
FoieGrasIsEvil:
Making fat jokes is akin to making fun of someone’s race: It just makes you look juvenile and it takes away from any real arguments you may otherwise be making.
Do you think that no fat people read the dope, and maybe even otherwise agree with your stance on Moore? Why would you want to insult them too? Are you just that obtuse?
OK, well, I apologize if I offended you or anyone else, I was seriously just kidding around, but I must disagree that making light of someone’s weight is the same as racism.
I mean, it is the Pit, the OP’s thread title says “Big Fat Phony”, so…I went with it.
And I will never, EVER claim to be anything other than juvenille in many respects, especially regarding stooping to often inappropriate levels for a cheap laugh. And even if nobody else laughed, well, I did, so it must have been funny!
Fart jokes still crack me up. It must be the fact that I have two young sons who find flatulence endlessly humorous.
I see what you’re saying, but it’s not quite the same. Everyone, even those with “glandular problems”, has some control over their weight; no one has control over their race. People have never been enslaved or systematically murdered in large numbers because of their weight. It’s mean and immature to rip on someone about their weight, but not quite the same as doing it about their race IMO. After all, being overweight is something you should ideally want to rectify, while feeling the same way about your race will only lead to dissapointment.
You’re right, fat jokes don’t carry the same cultural and historical baggage that race jokes do.
However, fat people are discriminated against in this country:
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And I must respectfully disagree with the statement “being overweight is something you should ideally want to rectify”
Health at any size
Obesity Myths
The Obesity Myth
Naafa’s list of fat myths
FoieGrasIsEvil: Apology accepted, I know you didn’t mean no harm.
I’m so sorry to do this again, but I scanned your Wiki link and scrolled down to see the HAES has gained the approval of the “fat acceptance movement” and below that is a list of prominent members and the first one listed is a lady named Linda Bacon?
And I also take some issue with what you’re implying. There’s different kinds of overweight people, some can and some cannot lose weight very easily.
I don’t think the jury is still out on whether or not obesity casues or compounds health and longevity issues, those are factual AFAIC.
However if you mean to say that overweight people should have the same level of acceptance by non-overweight people and by themselves, then I would agree.
That is pretty funny…
Probably
Really I was taking issue with the statement “being overweight is something you should ideally want to rectify.” I think people should eat well and exercise because these are healthy behaviors, not to lose weight.
Maybe this video represents what I mean
This was my point, after all.
Cool, we agree then.
Wait a minute here…
What is it with all these recent reconciliations after initial disagreements in the Pit all about?
Er, fuck off!
