I considered removing the extra “g” in “founding” from Apos’ original post, but ultimately decided I did not have standing to bring the complaint.
I have never heard these debunked quotes and don’t know who David Barton is, but it sounds like a read good for a few laughs. Does anyone have any links?
Really? It’s an imposition on you not to be able to cram your beliefs down the throats of school children that you don’t even know? Does it take away your rights if you can’t force your beliefs on others? Is it defending your freedoms to force kids to recite a mantra to your particular sky pixie?
Methinks you need to reexamine the whole concept of freedom. You’re clearly not up to speed on it.
What bothers me most about that website (other than people making death threats for the Lord) is the amount of magical thinking going on. Like we’re going to create some magic bubble of protection if we drone a mantra every morning. How very Harry Potter, sans the intelligence.
Stupid motherfuckers.
If we take out under God from the pledge, God will die.
We can’t have that now!
Yeah, that’s the kind of magical thinking I’m talking about. The sad thing is that there are actually people who believe that. These assholes actually believe that atheists have the power to kill the Almighty. I guess he wouldn’t be all that almighty if that were so, huh?
This is not a theocracy.
“Under God” and “In God We Trust” advocates have no business imposing that shit on the rest of us.
Just to play devil’s [heh!] advocate here: a religious person would resist pledging his ultimate allegience to his country or anyone else but God. By including the words “under God” he acknowledges the order of his priorities.
That said, I don’t see why there has to be an official, legal version of the Pledge at all. Why can’t people just say whatever they want?
What’re you all getting on Airman Doors for? Why does he have to be happy that “under God” gets removed from the pledge?
I can’t speak for Airman Doors, but my cynical response would be:
Because he isn’t participating lock-step in the hive-mind group-think of “Oh, we’re OPPRESSED! You’re shoving your religion down our throats!!! choke We know the schoolkids don’t have to say it, but they’ll feel UNCOMFORTABLE if they don’t. They don’t have the spine to stand up for their convictions, it’s just easier to take away everybody else’s. Establishment clause: good, free exercise clause: bad!”
:rolleyes:
For me, I’m just trying to understand his thinking. And I certainly didn’t say he should be “happy” about the remove, just wondering why he’d be “unhappy” about it. Some folks seem to take it as an insult to religion, while it’s actually neutral.
Is no one else going to take issue with this?
Listen, if it exists and is real, then the page has every right to print it. If Christians don’t want to be seen as vitriolic, hateful, occasionally violent bigots, then they should stop being and tolerating bigotry and violence in their churches. I want to see more Christians causing schisms in their own churches over things like gay marriage and women in the priesthood. Then we can see they’re ready to do somthing more than shrug their shoulders and say; “aw, whatcha gonna do” when their co-congregationist Alice kicks her 15 year old son out of the house for being gay.
That website has no obligation to paint Christians in a good light. They print what they get, and this is what Christians are handing out.
Yeah, because everyone that disagrees with you must be of a hive mind. There is no possibility that free-thinkers came to their conclusions of their own making. Now, let’s all celebrate our religious individuality by facing a piece of cloth and chanting in unison.
Damn straight. If the OP wants to make his voice heard, then maybe he should send a letter to the web admins before coming here to post.
Actually, I was referring more to the idea of calling the letter-writers themselves on their stupidity. I’m sure the OP knows at least one or two people who could have written those letters.
Someone is calling muslims out on their refusal to confront the atrocities in the muslim world. Maybe if more people called Christians on their atrocities, the West could be a better place.
Ah, gotcha ya. Your previous post was a little unclear. 
What is it you’re taking issue with exactly? I don’t be and tolerate bigotry in my church. I don’t like seeing it on the web either, which is why I emailed the website in question. I’m curious as to what else you’d have me do.
Of course they have the right to print it. And someone else has the right to make a Kung Fu page dedicated to how cool it is to karate chop someone’s head off. Doesn’t mean I have to like it. It pisses me off because they’re spreading ignorance.
Sorry for the double post - didn’t see this.
I know exactly zero people like that. Thanks for assuming though, I love when people do that.
So, you’re welcome then?
Well, as tempting at it is to believe these e-mails as a fair sampling of the insanity wrought by organized religion, this is in no way a representative sample of Christian responses to Newdow, but a self-selected (and no doubt cherry picked by the site editors) group of loony tunes who happen to have found Jesus as their fixation instead of fluoridated water or Amway. It isn’t fair to tar all Christians based on this inherently skewed representation, but at the same time I find it a tad ingenuous for the Christian Dopers to say that no way no how have they ever heard any of their co-religionists express any sentiments toward nonbelievers that reeked of anything but the most ethereal divine love.
Bitch, please
I do wonder if these religious nutbars have ever paused in the midst of poisoning electrons to question if using obscenities and threats in defense of Jesus might pose an inherent contradiction in their personal walks with the Savior.
Well, Airman Doors also thinks it’s “American” to prevent Michael Moore from making movies about stuff he doesn’t want to hear; seems to me there’s a lot of stuff in the United States Constitution that he needs some remedial education about.
lol, I’m not saying I’ve never heard anything other than righteous love, but I honestly don’t know anyone who would spew the nonsense on the webpage in question. Thank God.
I’m not going to comment on that, being that I’ve abandoned that thread some time back. And I think I was a bit harsh, as some of the comments linked to by the OP got me in a rather foul and argumentative mood. And hey, I generally like Airman. But the comment he made here gave me a true :dubious: moment. I’d really like to see him justify it.