Microsoft: Lies, more lies, and damned lies

I am sick and friggen tired of this.

Ok actually I was tired of this particular issue from the moment of the first press announcement.

But now it is getting to be just plain annoying.

It does not help any that Microsoft has a history of doing this.

The particular case I am talking about here is what is known as Remote Desktop Sharing.

Microsoft would LIKE you to believe that it is a revolutionary new feature that they invented just especially for Windows XP.

Which it sure as hell isn’t even before GUIs existed the old text terminals had this.

And The X Window System (I think I got that right. . . . They are so picky about spelling) has had remote usage since, err, let see now,

1986.

But neglecting that, (*nixs are evil you know. . . . :rolleyes: Bill said so so it has to be true. . . . ) Windows 2K can do Remote Desktop Sharing just as well.

Hell, even IGNORING Terminal Services, IGNORING that with a properly setup network I could use a Pentium 133mhz Laptop running Windows98 to log into a Win2K box halfway around the world (or hell all the way around the world and just route the damn message via the scenic route);

Ignoring ALL of that, ignoring the last 16 years of computing;

Windows 2000 comes with Netmeeting built into it. Netmeeting has Remote Desktop Sharing built into it. Double Click icon, click through three dialog boxs, it is installed. Wowies.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

So what does MS go and do? Tout Remote Desktop Sharing (now relabled Remote Desktop Assistance and with a few bits twiddled, same damn thing, but just integrated more tightly with the OS, or at least made to appear such) as the Big Hip New Thing in Windows XP.

Which it isn’t. It has existed in Windows 2000 installs for years now (since 1999, yah I know I said I would disregard the last 16 years, but don’t be quite so literal, yeesh) as a default. It works. I know. I provide support to Windows XP users with it all the time. It is just not a one double-click process like it is in XP, but instead, oh, say, a two or three double-click process. Oh wow. Big deal. ::sighs:: So they moved it in XP, yeeshkies.

But this alone, hey, FUD, call something old new, OK, I can deal.

Then, oh then, Microsoft goes that ONE extra step in BULL SHITING the consumers that shows exactly how full of shit they are.

MSN messenger, I hate it, really, loath it. It is basically Netmeeting with a pretty interface around it and a centralized contact list (actually even the contact list isn’t so far away from Netmeeting, as Netmeeting includes support for a central directory, hardly a giant leap to go from one to another.)

Microsoft took their Hotmail database and let their messaging client authenticate users against it. Oh big whoop. Ugh.

(not that you get to use user names, ooh noooo, because Microsoft runs both @MSN.com and @Hotmail.com services you have to use your full e-mail address and then select a SEPARATE user name that is actually SHOWN to people.)

But here is the kicker, here is a sign of exactly HOW FAR Microsoft is willing to go to lie to you.

There are two different versions of Microsoft Messenger (actually there are loads of versions, but for the purpose of this rant, only two of them are pertinent).

One for XP, one for everybody else.

Guess what the major difference is?

The XP one includes Remote Desktop Assistance.

And if an XP user is talking to a 2K user and the XP user selects “Remote Desktop Sharing” the application sends back a “Feature Not supporting, please ask your friend to upgrade to the latest version of Windows XP”.

Which is ABSOLUTE POSITIVE BULL SHIT.

Let me say it a bit more clearly.

Microsoft is ARTIFICIALLY creating TWO versions of a program JUST TO CREATE THE IMPRESSION that XP has a “unique” feature that is not unique at all.

This is beyond just marketoids telling their standard lies, this is about MS going through the trouble of creating two separate versions of a program JUST to create an illusion.

Now I understand that there would be some minor dependency issues if Remote Desktop Assistance was allowed for other platforms besides XP;

Namely some minor additional crud would have to be loaded at startup.

Considering how the user is already loading a messaging client, sticking the remote desktop sharing program in there at boot time as well does not seem like such an arduous task. I mean hell, it is not like MS has not in the past added plenty of crap to startup without asking their users about it.

and as a closing note, you should be aware that XP is actualy little more then 2K with a ~$20 “Themes” program shoved on top of it (you have been able to get them for the other Windows OSs for ages now, nice having had a CHOICE though, with XP you are stuck with all of the extra code that goes along with it, oh joy, you lose your choice!), some crud reorganized and made more prominent (see the above rant) and some minor kernel tweaks to make up for the added bloat of all of that Themes crud.

Oh, and XPs amazing loading times? Get this. In order to manage those, when ever your computer is idle (meaning you have left it running for awhile without doing anything on it) XP actually goes and optimizes the first few sections of your Hard Drive so as to ensure that it loads up as fast as possible.

Yup, that is right, it actually uses your computer’s Idle Time to work at creating the IMPRESSION that it is faster.

It isn’t, any decent boot optimizer for 2K (or even the other Windows OSs, though not as great of a gain shall be found) will have the same effect. And not lie to you about where the decrease boot times came from either.

Microsoft, lies, more lies, and damned lies.

(On the plus side though, when they are not under the directives of Marketoids trying to stupidify the populas down, Microsoft’s Programmers can indeed turn out some darn good UIs. Too bad that with XP this hardly shows. A UI should be clean and simple and be very refined. Microsoft’s Messanger handles a lot of tasks better then AIM, but then again, Netmeeting has been around since at least NT4, remember the old Windows Messanger client, used fun to spaming people over the school network with it. ::sighs:: )

Oh yes, and the program also denies that Whiteboard works with 2K users either.

Proof that all of this is Bull?

Click on Open Netmeeting Connection.

Tada.

Whiteboard and Remote Desktop Sharing right there, between 2K and XP users. For 9x users it is a free download away. ::sighs::

Dude. It’s an operating system. If it doesn’t crash, and if it has purty colours, I’m happy.

XP is exactly that. I had my reservations about previous MS operating systems, but XP is gold in my book. And that’s about as passionate as I get about it. I never understand all this anger, really.

This reminds me of a Mark Twain:
“Lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

But that has nothing to do with this. Carry on.

If you dont like Windows, dont bitch about Microsoft. Please. No one is holding a gun to your head. Switch to Linux or a Macintosh. They dont have as much software, but you have to sacrifice some things to have an operating system made by a company that never, ever says any false or misleading thing.

“Geekiest rant … ever!”

Coldfire’s got my opinion down pretty well.

Can I download porn? Does it run Diablo II? Can I run a word processor?

Sold … you got yersef an OS.

:::sigh:::

This again…I’ll keep my mouth shut.

I am very happy with Win 98SE thankyouverymuch.

I’m a little bored, so just a few things:

Not to mention any and all .Net services that may be developed. Only Windows Messenger (the XP version) can run those services, MSN Messenger (the one any computer can run) cannot.

Like what?

And this is bad…why?

By the way, Netmeeting sucks compared to the usage capabilities included with XP.

Gee, my opinion contradicts yours. Guess we’re in a stalemate now.

.Net runs on 2k ::sighs::

Please do your research first, kthxbye.

You are asking for a list of shit that is ran without you even being told about it? hehehehhehe.

Look at default services listing when 2K or XP starts up, that is a good start. Tons of those services are NOT necessary. (though quite frankly even trying to defend a company that has been shown to time and time again have violated its users privacy is pretty much a useless fight)

Dude;

T-H-I-N-K about this for a moment.

You

Just asked

WHY

it is bad that users have had choices REMOVED FROM THEM.

Why it is bad that people have had options TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yee gads. You a commie by any chance?

Can it drive? Can it turn? Can it brake? Sold, you got yourself a Pinto.

Enjoy.

It ain’t about the OS, the NT5.x line (XP is NT5.1 according to some microsoft references, and it is, err, not according to others.) is stable as far as OSs go, it more about about a company DIRECTLY LYING TO YOU in order to sell products.

If the SD is about removing ignorance, then exposing Microsoft’s direct LIES damn well falls under that heading. They are PURPOSELY trying to MISLEAD people.

‘Dude, it is a legislator. If they pass laws, and don’t have extramarital affairs, I’m happy.’

Seems to me that their motivations behind passing those laws count as much as the actual PASSING of those laws.

Do you REALLY want to say to a company “Oh hey, I don’t CARE if you boldface LIE to me, as long as the product works as advertised!”

(actually XP works as MS has been advertising Windows for Years now. As many have said before, after 18 years, it is ABOUT TIME they produce something that doesn’t make the users gag)

Lying. They lied. I am pissed. Is that really all that hard to understand?

Actually it IS a bit more complicated then that. They not only lied, but worked extra hard to make that lie believable! In a lot of cases it isn’t the lying that pisses people off, it is the extra crap done after that. Old Bill Clinton would likely not have received /quite/ a smuch flak is he had not gone and lied two or three times about the affair as well as having had it. It isn’t the cheating thing that got the majority of people riled, it was the repeated boldfaced LIES about the cheating that got’em at least a tad wee bit peeved.

Did I ever say I did not like Windows? Hell NT 5.x is not half bad, but Microsoft? Sure as shit I am going to bitch about them, if they fuck up I have ever God Given Right in this Country to bitch about them.

Hell I do not even own a Mac and I perfectly justified in bitching about how their default pack-in keyboards may as well just continuously punch you in the nads for as painful typing on them is.

Oh, and when a company engaged in anti-competitive practices (notice those words, ANTI-COMPETITIVE) that have resulted in the severe limitation of the capabilities of their competitors (in this case, program availability);

then I get to bitch again about that. Not only were such actions illegal (and if they don’t stop them Some Time Soon Now, I am going to go back to using the present tense. . . .) but they ended up stranding a lot of users on the Windows platform. Hell I can’t leave, Photoshop and Rhino3D are on it, and ultimately productivity determines how my computing environment is setup. (thus why I have a Matrox G400 Dual Head MAX and not a Geforce4).

But hey, they fucked up, I get to bitch about it, and I am perfectly justified in doing so. If somebody lies, fuck’em, I am going to call them out for it.

I have used both.

They are functionally IDENTICAL.

Voice and Video Chat over both. Complete True Color Desktop Sharing on both.

Yours was an argument based upon a one line “I said so”

Mine was a tad wee bit more in depth then that. Something about them being technologically identical and all. . . . . Oh wait, they are! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Oh, and Terminal Services blows the shit out of any Desktop Sharing that XP has to offer, but it is a bit out of the league of this conversation. :slight_smile: (built into 2K though. :smiley: )

:rolleyes:

In other words, I don’t see why you put forth so much vehemence. It gets what I want done quickly and reliably. If you want to nitpick a bunch of bullshit because they’re “lying” to us about not actually making a new product/service? Because an application is included that you don’t like? And you think that boot file management/optimization included as a automatic, built in function is a BAD thing?

Get a life.

Com2, we all know you’re an idiot, must you be boring as well?

Since you can’t enlighten, at least entertain. Platform rants are soooo last year. Try coming up with something new.

Fenris

Cool!
I could use a way to get from point A to point B. When can I pick it up, or do you deliver?

FindFast comes to mind (stupid resource hogging piece of shit…)

Overall, this was an extremely geeky rant. It might be the geekiest rant on this whole damn Board.

A valid rant, and one that I agree with and liked, but still, to echo Jack Batty…geekiest rant ever!

Hey man, that Pinto explody-rear-endy thing was fixed!

If it works as advertised, where’s the lie?

And as for the politician thing, when people start getting taxed/arrested based on a poiltico’s motivations, rather than the actual laws, I’ll start worrying about it.

Honestly, in the time it took you to write the OP, you could have installed a different OS. But that wouldn’t have shown all of us your 1337 knowledge of all things Microsoft, would it?

Since your rant went off in quite a few different directions, I’ll start with this item, which seemed to bother you the most

Care to provide a cite for this?

I just dug through the MSDN DVDs and haven’t found any references where I heard bugles going off in the background. Hell, there’s even a shortage of exclamation points in the stuff I found.

Lies are not old until the lie is apologized for.

And I was not bitchign about the platform, I was bitching about the company.

Though thanks for responding to a post that you obviously did not read. :rolleyes:

Congraduations dear


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On your complete and utter acceptence of


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in order to ensure your acceptence of


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:stuck_out_tongue:

Seriously though, I can’t believe that you don’t care that some giant corporation is going through all of this trouble to lie to you.

And it is not the matter of an application being ‘included’ it is that they are LIMITING functionality of their OLDER products AFTER THE FACT.

Ok think of it this way.

5 years after you bought your new car, the manufacturer came by to your house, opened the hood, and smash the engine in; and then go back to their corporate HQ and start advertising their New and Improved Car with a More Reliable Engine.

Or heck, an even better analogy would be one day you are out of gas and stranded on the side of the road, and some fellow helpful motorist pulls up by you to give you a hand. Finding that you are out of Gas, the other motorist who happens to have a syphon hose on hand (for whatever reason) offers to give you enough Gas just to get to the next Gas Station.

When he tries to give you the Gas through the Syphon, your car would ‘refuse’ the gas and his car would state that if he wants to give you gas, you need to upgrade to this years latest model of that car.

Now you very well KNOW that Unleaded Gas is Unleaded Gas, and quality issues aside, there is no reason for either car to be complaining about the Gas. But the frontfaced LIE that you car Cannot Use Gas, well hell;

your telling me you would accept that and go run off and buy this years newest model car just because you where told you had too?