I think the consensus here so far is that while the OP’s anecdotes about Black people tipping are based on his personal observations, this is an issue that transcends race and is a distraction from the real issue here, which is how Asians are always menstruating all over everything.
I think you need to carry a larger firearm.
Post 41 before someone commented on that!
I know! What’s the Pit coming to, anyway?
At least for black waiters!
Good god, the sidebar in that piece is ridiculous: 12 Ways Servers Can Increase Tips
Wear a funny tie? Touch customers? If anyone thinks that’s going to get over 20 percent form me, they’re delusional. How about just acting like you’re happy to be there, getting my order right?
See, there’s your mistake: “Crafted”. Few people ‘craft’ posts. We just make 'em.
As for race, fuck no it doesn’t matter to me except in behavioral patterns that I make note of as part of my job, which is really more cultural and socio-economic than “racial”.
In guarding retail environments, I’ve noted that Somali (we have a large Somali population) parents are most likely to allow their small boys to run amok and make no effort to reign them in unless they (the parents) are very directly confronted and threatened with expulsion. They keep very close tabs on their girls, who are not allowed to act like that.
Young black females are more likely to allow their children to be destructive and very loudly complain if any effort is made to stop it. They’re also more likely to make false accusations, public scenes and ignore rules. Especially in groups. I’d rather deal with six young males of any race or culture than four young black women, which seems to be the magic number of critical mass. Three? Fine. Four? Watch out.
Young black males are more likely to have that big chip on their shoulder and be paranoid and confrontational. However, the ones that are like that tend to be loners.
The most completely insane psychos are almost always white males, but that may be more due to easier visual identification. Nutbag white guys just stick out.
Any group of young males is trouble regardless of race or culture.
The Somalis will pretend not to understand English in order to ignore you, the rules of public conduct, and/or avoid the consequences of their failure to abide by their sales contracts. I’ve never seen Asians or Hispanics do this.
Wealthier white females can be the most arrogant and abusive people on Earth. I’d rather deal with six disruptive young males than one pissed off entitlement mentality Queen-in-her-own-head.
As I noted somewhere else; “There are slack jawed yokels in every ethnic group.”
Well, blacks and Asians are more likely to be the kind of assholes who don’t tip well. So are white Southerners and the elderly. (Ever bust your butt to make a difficult customer happy, only to get a religious tract and some small change for a tip? It was all I could do to keep from chasing her out to the parking lot and letting her know what I thought of her.) People with college degrees tend to be better tippers than people without. There’s a difference between not being “racist” and refusing to make perfectly reasonable and valid general observations about groups of people.
Oh, please. No one is completely immune to all racial, ethnic, religious and class prejudice. What you’re calling “racism” isn’t a disease that can be stamped out like smallpox. It’s ordinary human nature. We can reasonably expect people to control it, just as we expect them to control aggression and sexual impulses, but it’s absurd to expect them never to have such attitudes.
I’d rather be “racist” than a self-righteous jerk like you.
I was really good at the latter, but had a lot of difficulty with the former. As for the rest, I don’t know—is “crusted with dried tomato sauce” funny?
Yep. I teach in a mostly black school. We haven’t had an on-campus fight involving any of the boys in a couple years. All the on-campus fights and other drama involve the girls. Any petty disagreement is far more likely to get escalated into a screaming confrontations and physical assault if 4 or more girls are present. The principal combatants generally feel that they have to put on a brave show for their faction is why. The girls do the same shit back in their neighborhoods and then continue it when they get to school. Every day you hear them gossipping about who snatched whom bald the night before and who is going to get her ass kicked over it today.
The boys fight, too, but for one reason or another they don’t drag their mess in to school.
Our white girls fight too, but they don’t do the group thing. Their fights typically don’t feature as much screaming and the combatants don’t each have an entourage cheering them on, the level of violence is the same, though. When women fight they seem to be more intent on mutilating eachother than men do.
Oh fuck off. It’s not self-righteous to dislike people perpetuating stupid stereotypes.
For your edification and viewing pleasure… it’s a pretty common viewpoint.
I have a feeling this thread is going to explode… 10,9,8…
To be honest, this doesn’t necessarily need to be a “black people don’t tip” thing. The general point I was making was that assholes who go to restaurants in the middle of the night don’t tip. The examples just happened to be minorities because of the location, in which white people are a small minority.
And well, I mentioned race because that sort of thing has been pounded in my head as part of my job and I forgot that this is The Dope, where a bunch of jackass basement dwellers sit at their computers all day just waiting for a moment of false or exaggerated outrage to enliven their pitiful shallow lives. :rolleyes:
Fuck off, yourself. You’re a self righteous jerk.
That almost seems like performance art. Pretty sure it’s not, though. Some people really do embody stereotypes.
There seems to be a number of factors possibly working here, including:
White servers notice the race of black people who tip poorly more. What I mean here is that when a white, elderly couple tip poorly, the server thinks “old people tip badly” rather than “white people tip badly.” If a black elderly couple tip poorly I would imagine many servers think “black people tip badly.”
There also might be a sort of circular situation going on here. If servers think black people will tip less, they are likely to put less effort into serving that table of black people. Even if that table were previously likely to tip well, they may now tip poorly. I’ve got indifferent service before because I have a British accent and British tourists have a reputation for tipping poorly.
I didn’t have a large number of black regulars where I bartended; those that I had tipped around the average amount (for people in their socio-economic group). Tipping really seems to be imfluenced by many things - I noticed when I moved to Tennessee that tips were lower down there, and my (ex) brother-in-law said the same thing when he moved from Philadelphia to Atlanta.
Despite what the Government wants you to think, no one who’s seriously studied the physical evidence believes in the “lone black man” theory. If you analyze the trajectory, his tip would have had to physically change course between his pocket and the tabletop. Clearly, this man was a decoy, and your tip was actually left by the CIA (acting on orders from Lyndon Johnson).
Yeah I’m a 22 year old female college student…not a loser, not a basement dweller. I have a really boring job at a library and access to the internet. I’m trying to give you a fucking break and believe you only felt the need to point out the races of these people because it’s part of your job.
My whole point is that race shouldn’t be the focus of stuff like this - its been done, and again, and again. Maybe it’s just because in my personal life I am tired of hearing “black people do this” and “black people do that” and it always comes from backwards assholes. I live in a small neighborhood, 100 houses. When I was a kid, there were maybe 5 houses with black people. All us kids played together. But then more black people started moving into our community, and guess what? White fucking flight. And there is no slum area here, the black people are moving into the same nice, middle class houses…Sorry if I am sensitive because I see this shit all the time.
I’ve spent time in shitty restaurants late at night, you go in high school to smoke cigarettes and hang out when you’ve got nowhere else to go. My friends have worked at some of these shitty restaurants late at night. Race doesn’t matter here - if you’re eating a meal at 2am and you’re not just someone who has to work a weird shift, you’re probably drunk, on drugs, a weirdo, asshole, insomniac, etc. Something is “different” there then the majority of people who are asleep and already ate dinner by that point. Maybe that’s it. Sorry if the details of your fucking security guard job weren’t apparent to me when I read your OP - that your job is noting every characteristic about people and it causes you to identify everyone by their race.
As this is a public place, I have neither the interest nor the inclination to modify my modes of expression to avoid touching areas of other people’s internal damage. There’s always going to be someone who draws offense over any given thing, and I’m not interested in living my life in paranoid fear that someone, somewhere will take offense over some little thing I say.
So if you or anyone else in this thread (or any other thread) choses to rant and blow a gasket over something I’ve said, please feel free to do so, and I’ll feel free to, at best, ignore you, or at worst, mark you off as a raving loon. But in no event will I become injured because some random asshole on a board, who has never met me in real life, choses to throw around accusations that are not true, in order to assuage their own need for attention and drama.
As you go through life, there are always going to be people who make statements that will touch upon your sensitivities. The mark of you as a person lies in whether you assume the worst in these people and attack, or whether you grant them the benefit of the doubt and move on with grace.