Elvis: I don’t think Milo likes this stuff. I don’t think he likes being attacked because he disagrees with Democratic viewpoints. Just because he is able to defend himself doesn’t mean he likes being insulted.
Well hell, Milo…I’ll tell ya what. You come out here for the next DC dopefest in March. You can get together with RT, and I can have a private, erm, “dick-sizing” contest with ya. 
(HEY, Sua and mags are flirting! I can too, dammit!)
You mean like just the other day, when I referred to Clinton as…dammit, was it a ‘sleazeball’ or sleazebucket.’ Or when I agreed that Bush’s education initiative actually might be beneficial.
Or if you mean Republicans on this board, I’ve been going around telling people at Dopefests that Scylla is my hero. Not just for his ‘goat porn’ or ‘so I was changing my baby’s diaper’ threads, but for his serious posts in GD as well. I’m also a big fan of Jodi, John Corrado, and other Republicans around this site.
I read The Conscience of a Conservative before I was in my teens.
You’re right, I’m just a liberal dittohead.
Of course, that’s ‘claimed and then refuted’, by anyone’s standards but your own. After all, if her statements in the thread stood on their own, what did it matter whether she’d criticized Clinton anywhere else, except to Mr. Litmus Test? All you were doing was trying to attack her, rather than her remarks, by calling her a knee-jerk liberal.
You were wrong two ways: first, because she’s not one, and second, because it was totally fucking irrelevant if her arguments were valid. Here’s her post:
And here’s your response:
Notice how you didn’t suggest that any of her history might be incorrect; you just pounded her, incorrectly as it turns out, for never saying anything bad about Clinton. And then went into a McCarthyesque rant.
BTW, just to clarify things for you, what makes someone a dittohead of any persuasion is not whether they ever take a stand contrary to that of what’s perceived as being ‘their’ side, but whether they’re taking those stands without being able to articulate reasons for them, because someone told them that they were the right stands.
If you can find stands I’ve taken around here without fairly well-articulated rationales for those stands, let me know.
A bit homophobic, are we? Wrong place for it, bub. And, no, I don’t believe duking it out settles anything except for who has the bigger muscles. This ain’t the ‘flexing muscles’ board, this is the ‘fighting ignorance’ board.
Y’know, Milo, I’m 47 years old. It’s been decades since I’ve been in a fight, and I’m certainly not going to seek one out now. That tends to be true of most people my age who work at a keyboard and computer screen, rather than with their hands. While you may feel that’s sissified, I honestly don’t care. If you must duke it out with me, download my photo off the People Pages, pin it to your pillow, punch the hell out of it, and get all gooey afterwards.
Nah. Let’s try where you said:
And let’s take this thread, which was one of several places I’d responded to this BS months earlier. Like so, back on Nov. 13:
Yup, that looks like me and Stoid and wring exchanging high-fives, and calling it a refutation.
To say that you have no appreciation of scale when it comes to problems, Milo, is a wee tad of an understatement. I’m sorry that this happens, but out of any hundred randomly selected problems that would force a family to relocate against their will, this is the one that people afflicted with the other 99 problems would love to have instead.
As I said in the thread itself:
I reiterate: it’s hard to get upset for the little guy who’s forced to relocate, but is going to get a shitload of money in return, while there are still plenty of little guys in the world who are forced to relocate with nothing but a U-Haul full of personal belongings.
If that makes my commitment to the underdog a bit too weak for your liking, I can live with that.
Funny: conservatives usually give liberals a hard time about finding injustices behind every tree. Here, I prioritized injustices in a rather commonsense way, I thought, and even after seeing what I read, Milo still thinks - what? That I should consider the minor injustice done to those he knows to be more important than greater harm done to others? That I should be ‘wildly indignant about nearly everything’ (bonus points for catching the reference), and that I’m not truly a liberal unless any injustice, no matter how small, is worth going to the wall for? Damned if I know, because Milo’s too muddleheaded to make his objections clear.
Techie - I will gladly discuss your problems with my stand on the estate tax, in that thread, where I have already explained my difficulty in understanding why the FET, as presently constituted, would threaten any family business.
In a previous thread, a poster brought up an example of how, as he understood it, a small business would have to be broken up to pay the Estate Tax. One doesn’t need to be a tax expert to see that one can pay the tax over nearly 15 years; all one needs is 10 minutes with the instruction manual to the Estate Tax return. And that one provision should be sufficient for pretty much all closely held concerns.
Obviously, I’m not privy to Crissey Fowler Lumber’s financial info, or to its owner’s estate tax return. But IMO, if someone’s using that example to show how the FET kills family businesses, they need to make the numbers available to show how the mechanisms in the tax code designed to protect such businesses are insufficient.
And as far as the general fairness (or lack thereof) of the FET, again, I’d like to keep it in one place.
RTF…
WTF?!?
Where the hell did that come from?!?
SPOOFE - since you asked, I read the ‘weak-wristed’ comment as essentially identical to the classic ‘limp-wristed’ slur historically aimed at gay men.
Given that I see nothing wrong with being gay, I don’t take it as an insult to be compared to gays. However, I get a bit ticked at those who reiterate the ancient suggestion that homosexuality is less than manly, as well as the general implication that there’s anything wrong with it.
Just to add some more confusion to the pot…
I was just as surprised at the homophobic comment. Upon re-reading the section quoted, I was going to ask if this was what he was refering to:
The wrist part didn’t even register on my homophobic radar.
I see nothing homophobic in Milo’s post.
Man…
I hate it when two posters I like are at each others throats.
Well, Milo, I suppose I should at least congratulate you on being willing to back up your position in this dispute. It is more honorable than calling names and running away. Good for you. You gave as good as you got and have some people supporting your position, even.
You have also, again, made reference to resolving a dispute on this board with physical violence. I have no idea what the mods will say about that, but what I say is:
LOSER.
Trying to physically intimidate someone who disagrees with you on an electronic bulletin board is lame, cowardly, intellectually bankrupt, morally bereft, and fucking ignorant. That type of nonsense should have no place these boards, even in the PIT.
If you simply must strut about and rage about kicking ass I suggest buying some tights and trying out for WCW. That circuit has gotten lame enough recently that you might fit right in. Barring that, find a 4[sup]th[/sup] grade playground and start stealing ball. I’m sure one of the local schoolboys will be willing to satisfy your need to prove your machismo.
BTW–I make my living in front of a computer screen these days, too. So if it will help you sleep at night please just assume that should we meet I will also decline to test my prowess against your brobdinagian might. My poor, weak little wrists might get a boo-boo.
However, that will certainly not prevent me from expressing my opinion to your face.
Asshole.
:eek:
Jeepers! Is this my hero * Spiritus * saying this? Wow…that can only mean one thing…
Sorry to shock you, Stoid. It bothers me to see schoolyard bullying rear it’s face on my favorite message board.
Hell, I didn’t much care for it back in elementary school, either, but at least then folks had an excuse for acting like children.
No offense, but that’s a pretty lame interpretation, especially given the context of the original quote.
Weak-wristed: Weak wrists. Not strong. Deficient in physical strength.
In short, he was calling you a weenie.
I agree. However, it’s no less lame than insulting someone’s occupation just because you disagree with them. I see Milo’s comeback to RTF’s weak-ass taunt as perfectly appropriate.
Oops… 'scuse the double-quote. I have no clue how that got in there.
Maybe I shouldn’t post whilst blindfolded. 
I think it would be fair to assume that just about everybody who’s participated in political threads has been hit with a cheap shot. I’d say that most of those people have also let their better judgement fly out the window on occasion, and pulled the trigger on a couple of cheap shots themselves.
In all fairness to Milossarian, there are a couple of posters who seem to bring out the worst in their Republican/Conservative debaters. After dealing with their crap, it’s very hard to switch gears and deal with someone who is taking a liberal standpoint politely and reasonably. You’re still used to dealing with the asshole, and it’s tough to remember to be civil.
I’ve had to apologize for being a jerk to my liberal brethren after having come down with a nasty Stoiditis infection earlier. More than once.
RTF,
Sorry to highjack your Pit thread but had I started talking about things in reference to that GD thread I woulda just ended up Pittifying (okay lame way to say it) the thread. So I figured, hell, since I read it here and I knew my responses would be less than civil I might as well keep it here!
Oh and Freedom…if you wanna meet me before your wedding, I am in Colorado. LOL, kidding.
Milo,
What RTF and others object to is the pointless partisan nature of your posts. You seem unable to attack a “liberal” position without including a “fucking liberals/Democrats” rant. Who the fuck wants to hear this? You wanna argue against the estate tax? Great. You wanna bitch about how Democrats are always trying to fuck you in the ass? Fine. The two don’t belong in the same thread, however. To combine them is pointlessly aggressive to liberals and Democrats, making it basically impossible for them to concede any point to you or to admit any give in their arguments. When you post in this manner, it almost inevitably leads to two sides shouting past each other. It’s very annoying. Please stop it.
Shut the fuck up.
One quick comment:
And then…
So…it’s okay when money is given back to the “Vietnamese immigrants” working for “shitty wages” just for that special “sense of belonging” (which I’m sure they cherished) just as long as it doesn’t come out of your pocket?
Do Vietnamese immigrants, convicts and “lost people” constitute “regular human[s]”? Or are they sub-human? Non-human? Un-human? Does this social strata allow any possibility for the “welfare bitch[es]” who do work, but do not make enough money to raise a family?
Just wondering.
Since this is all personal and whatnot, my mom, the reformed “welfare bitch” who spent ten years trying to raise her family out of the gutter and occasionally needed some government aid, extends a hearty “fuck you” for that stereotypical bullshit. Of course, she’s worth no where near $230,000, so she must not be a “regular human.” We’ll have to wait until she finally gets that check for all the death taxes stolen from rich people, and then you guys can talk.
If you agreed then you would not think the implied threat of physical violence was “appropriate”. Exactly what part of my post gave you the impression that I felt such boorishnes and thuggery to be “appropriate” on these boards? I realize that I used only a couple of profanities in my post, practically a love letter by PIT standards, but here’s a clue: when I call someone a loser and an asshole it does not mean that I felt their behavior was “appropriate”.
Sheesh! The things a guy has to explain around here.
And since you brought it up: RTFirefly did not insult Milo’s occupation. He said that he doubted Milo was particularly successful/accomplished at his job. Since the job in question is one that is normally associated with a requirement for objectivity, diligence, observation, etc. that was indeed “appropriate” for a PIT rant. Insulting? Absolutely. A fair characterization? Probably not. Out of bounds for the PIT? No.
Equivalent to threatening physical assault? Not even close.
Oh NachoSara, get off your high horse would you? My step-mom happened to have been on welfare at some point. I am not calling all those on welfare or those from an other country sub-humans. Boy you like to read into shit that aint there. I see it over and over again, guess you will make a good attorney if you continue to throw into the mouths of other people meanings that aren’t there.
Oh and BTW, shitty wages for work that is less than skilled workers is not uncommon. My father’s company provided many people many jobs that otherwise would be left to fend without any opportunity to better themselves and he offered a lot of opportunity to people including myself.
Sometimes you just tickle me.
Oh and Sara, I forgot to add, my father’s company was one of the top ten non-tech employers in this city. I friggin HATE it when people get their panties in a wad because my father worked his ass of for what he has. Oh yeah, the Jag sitting in his garage might give you a butt rash not to mention the Land Rover or the Lexus SUV.
He bought the company from my grand daddy, he brought it from about 10 employees to employing close to 300. If that is a terrible deed then I bow to thee and forgive that my father even considered employing people like the convict or the welfare mother looking for better opportunities…my step-mom was one of those.
I cannot begin to imagine what this is supposed to mean. Scylla gets pissed off it me so he then acts like a jerk?
Y’all are giving me WAY too much power over you.
stoid