More likely they were just obeying the authority, ala the Milgram experiment, with the (apparently incorrect) assumption that they were just trainees and he, as their supervisor, probably knew better than they did, about what he was doing.
Are we now back to claiming he was faking it?
I never claimed he was faking it. I said that the officers could have reasonably believed he was faking it based on his actions.
Cite that the Bureau of Land Management was in any way involved.
That’s certainly possible. It’s also possible that Chauvin was jerking his dick through his pocket like another poster suggested, sexually aroused by murdering a blacky black man. But where is the evidence of that? It’s all supposition that is being placed on a guy with nothing to support it.
OK, sorry impliying he was faking it.
Well, Minnesota was originally populated by native peoples. 
Well, he did seem unconcerned about the fact his prisoner was dying in his custody. I might legitimately draw some inferences from that.
Frankly, yes - because I’ve seen macho oppositional defiance dozens of time in my life and I’ve met hundreds of assholes. And it’s not like I just looked at a portrait of him and said “Asshole”, I’ve seen tapes of him working, I’ve seen his words quoted.
I have enough life experience to tell a good lawyer from one that’s not so great, either.
the witnesses today are saying that the officers should have moved him to his side, and rendered aid even if the ambulance was on the way in. today is not looking good for mr chauvin, the witnesses are stating that he went against police training.
The officer didn’t know if he was faking it. That’s the important part. His actions didn’t lead a reasonable person to believe he was having a legitimate medical problem or else he would have stopped.
It doesn’t matter, for criminal charges, what we now know after the fact. What did Chauvin know, or reasonably should have known, then, is the important question which, thankfully, he gets a jury to decide instead of media members.
Yes, these witnesses are bad for Chauvin. But at most they support manslaughter.
So he was faking it so much he accidentally killed himself?
NO! You judge the action at the time. The fact that he died doesn’t make the action prior more or less bad. If he lived, should the officers face the same charges? A person can only be judged based upon what was happening in front of them.
Well you can find the manual pages from Minnesota at the evidence exhibit here: https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12951-TKL/Exhibit67807072020.pdf
You can see the sections regarding neck restraints and the repeated focus on getting handcuffed suspects that are showing signs or claiming medical situations into a recovery position.
You can also see the sections regarding calling for EMS immediately when a handcuffed suspect has a medical situation.
That quoting was way too selective. It ignored the larger point I was making about the physiological stressors and the respective expectations we might reasonably have of each actor in this kind of situation.
Yeah, I guess he should have died more seriously.
I’m looking at page 13 where you see that you can continue the neck restraint is prior methods have been unsuccessful.
Further, it is negligence to not follow the guidebook, every jot and tittle? Maybe. I don’t know. If there was a clear statement: NEVER do this when situation X applies and it applied, I understand. But for other things…again, I don’t know.
If he’s handcuffed, then the other methods have already been successful.
And all this business about how Floyd should have assumed that the cops would render medical treatment? WTF? He shouldn’t have assumed that, because, as the record very clearly indicates, it was wrong. The cops didn’t render medical treatment.
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They weren’t. He didn’t submit to the arrest and sit down in the car.
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They did call 911.