Some People: Why do minorities/women vote for Trump?
Other People: Because X, Y, and Z
Some People: But that’s WRONG!! and it’s NOT TRUE!!
Y’see, all my life I’ve seen people acting on information and premises that are wrong and/or not true in matters both routine and critical. So it does happen. Repeating “but that’s wrong and not true” does not make it not* be what was on the voters’ mind* when they did it.
Sure, I agree, NOBODY sensible should have fallen for Trumps’ bull but that argument needed to have been made, aggressively and implacably and pulling no punches, by the entire GOP establishment from the very day he announced. Instead they danced around it avoiding direct confrontation, in the hope that when he would “inevitably” quit they’d harvest his fans, until it was too damn late.
Errrmm… You do understand that when it comes down to it, we here could all be classified as alt-media nerds (the Straight Dope having been born in the alternative press of the 70s) wherein the female demographic is kind of underrepresented to begin with. But that could get us looped back into a whole 'nother discussion about “unwelcoming environments” that we’ve been having here on the Dope for years.
Exactly. Some people don’t understand that whether a perception is true or not is irrelevant as far as voting is concerned - and also much less important than whether the perception ***exists ***or not.
If John Smith the gun owner believes that Democrats are going to come snatch his guns away, he’s going to vote against the D’s. Whether that belief is well-founded or not is absolutely irrelevant in the ballot booth.
You mean Bill Clinton? No, wait… Maybe Teddy Kennedy? Ralph Northam? Still in the good graces of the Democratic party, despite wearing blackface and posing with a goof in a Klan outfit. John Conyers Junior? Maybe Senator Franken doesn’t quite count, as he only pretended to grope a woman.
And Hollywood is both about 90% Democrat, and a sea of sexual exploitation.
The truth is, sexual exploitation is about power, not ideology. There are as many sexual abusers among Democrats as there are among Republicans. And there are just as many people on both sides willing to look the other way and ‘move on’ when a sexual predator is politically powerful and aligned with their ideology.
Also, the Democrats have been hostile to white males, and who do you think is married to white males? White females, mostly. What hurts their husbands hurts them.
That’s one reason why you see a huge split between single and married women. Single women vote for Democrats, and married women are more likely to vote Republican.
I think this explains the “why do white women vote for Trump when the GOP hates women?” question, just from the opposite stance. Many women or minorities who vote GOP, when asked, “Why do you vote for the party hostile to you?” would respond the same way.
Before someone says “Not both sides!” or “the Republicans ARE hostile to women!” - it’s the ***perception ***that matters, and if a Republican voter doesn’t feel oppressed by their own party, they don’t feel oppressed.
You’re not helping explain anything but to underscore the ways in which they act out based on irrational feelings rather than well informed decisions. Their perceptions are wrong.
Those assholes are dead or out of office. The Democratic party used to be just like the Republican party – tolerant of rape. Now it’s not. It’s actually changed for the better (if not nearly good enough), while the Republicans have gotten much worse.
Good graces? Most Democrats recommended he resign. He has absolutely no future in the party. I’m sure the Republicans would welcome him. But I’m unaware of any accusations of sexual assault against Northam anyway, so I’m not sure how he’s relevant here.
Both were pushed to resign by the party. They left because the party has actually improved. At the same time, the Republicans celebrate and defend their groper/rapist in chief.
Just as the Catholic and Evangelical churches are overwhelmingly Republican, and are as much, if not more, a “sea of sexual exploitation”.
This used to be true. Not any more. Now the Democratic party has actually improved and proved that they’ve improved – see Franken and many others. The Democrats actually kick out their abusers. The Republicans celebrate and elevate theirs.
The parties aren’t the same on everything. On some issues, they’re actually different. This is one of them, and many of the examples you brought up prove it – the modern Democratic party pushes out their abusers, gropers, and rapists, while the modern Republican party celebrates and elevates theirs.
I oppose rape and sexual assault, and I oppose the Party of Rape/Sexual Assault (i.e. the GOP). I urge others to also fight against this party that celebrates and elevates the abusers of women among them.
However ISTM that IS an explanation to why the vote was what it was. What you seem to be objecting to is the lack of a satisfactory answer as to how could they possibly have developed that wrong perception.
Abortion is largely a proxy for controlling a woman’s body and controlling her decisions. The GOP is also making inroads on birth control too for the same reason.
Trumpism is alienating women a little bit, so there is that.
All laws control your decisions. I cannot inject heroin into my body, for example, and I must wear a seat belt around my body in a car. Nobody has absolute freedom to make whatever choice they desire simply because it’s their body. That argument is really a red herring. But this isn’t an abortion debate; I was responding to the idea that women as a whole must positively hate the GOP because they won’t permit them to have abortions.
This idea that women as a whole are demanding the right to abortion is simply not true. A sizable number of women do not support legal abortion, so they don’t feel oppressed by this policy in any way.
my you conveniently ignore alleged “super liberal” JFK who also catered to Southern White vote. He asked MLK not to have march, called him ML Coon in private, refused to send Federal troops to South (that was Bobby’s work), and didn’t push Civil Rights Bill–that was LBJ who did
“working poor”? Welfare mothers (too busy screwing around to seek work) spreading legs and having babies with no man to support them, knowing Gov’t will subsidize their life-style
That sound appropriate, since the LGBTQ movement has been about advancing civil rights and the “church crowd”, in modern times at least, has been about restricting them.