Minorities who support Trump - why?

[Jasmine]

To anyone out there who is among the 28% of the Trump Hispanic vote: He f***ing hates you and thinks you and your country are dirt! Congratulations for being totally gullible idiots. LOL

[Urbanredneck]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

Beto “O-Rourke” dropped out of the Democratic primary nearly two months ago.
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Yes, but obviously from some of the people on this board, many democrats support this view and I have no doubt if a democrat wins it will be the new policy. If you dont bow down to the gay flag your church will lose its tax exempt status.

[Urbanredneck]

@UltraVires

He said it. Some blacks like some whites have not bought into the whole SJW thing and have no problem with Trump. Some like their company health insurance and don’t want to see the system bombed and rebuilt. Some like their church that has opposed SSM since it’s founding and don’t want to have to increase donations X% to keep the same level of church services. Some are anti-abortion. Some don’t favor LGBTQ, etc.

For the same reason many whites do. Just because someone is black does not mean that they tick off all of the boxes on the Democratic Party platform. That’s a good answer. I don’t understand why that is so hard to believe.

I agree.

The democrats might look up the Blexit movement and listen to what people like Candace Owens are saying.

[BeepKillBeep]

@Urbanredneck

I agree.

The democrats might look up the Blexit movement and listen to what people like Candace Owens are saying.

You know Candace Owens isn’t sincere right? She just realized there were more fame and money in being a Trump conservative.

[carnivorousplant]

@BobLibDem

• Put children in cages and rip suckling infants from their mothers’ breasts

Are you speaking metaphorically?

[iiandyiiii]

@Urbanredneck

Yes, but obviously from some of the people on this board, many democrats support this view and I have no doubt if a democrat wins it will be the new policy. If you dont bow down to the gay flag your church will lose its tax exempt status.

The GOP, Trump, and Rush Limbaugh thank you (and laugh at you behind your back) for accepting without question the bullshit propaganda they spread about the party they oppose. Newsflash – most Democrats, and most Democratic politicians, do not favor removing tax-exempt status from any churches based on LGBTQ stance. But don’t let facts get in the way of your blind acceptance of propaganda.

[BobLibDem]

@carnivorousplant

Are you speaking metaphorically?

Sadly, no. The inhuman ICE child separation policy resulted in exactly that, nursing infants forcibly removed from their mothers.

[carnivorousplant]

@BobLibDem

Sadly, no. The inhuman ICE child separation policy resulted in exactly that, nursing infants forcibly removed from their mothers.

I would love to see a cite for that. I have relatives who I would like to read it.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@Urbanredneck

Yes, but obviously from some of the people on this board, many democrats support this view and I have no doubt if a democrat wins it will be the new policy. If you dont bow down to the gay flag your church will lose its tax exempt status.

One Democratic candidate out of ~20 suggested it, and promptly dropped out of the race. It’s never been a plank in any Democratic manifesto, nor has it ever been suggested by a prior Democratic presidential nominee.

So you are sure “it will be the new policy” because…?

[UltraVires]

@BobLibDem

That is fair enough and I think correct. But all the boxes in the Democratic platform that they don’t tick off are far outweighed by these boxes in the Republican platform:

• Gerrymander black votes into insignificance
• Repeal the ACA and with it having children covered to age 26
• Purge black voters with some made up fig leaf justifying it
• Suspect every brown citizen of not being a citizen
• Put children in cages and rip suckling infants from their mothers’ breasts
• Destroy Social Security (an 80+ year crusade) and destroy Medicare (a 50+ year crusade)
• Gut environmental protections
• Bust unions

For most sensible people of all races, these Republican positions outweigh by far any concerns they may have with the Democratic platform.

Is this thread about “sensible people of all races” or is it “Minorities who support Trump-why?”

As it is the latter, I’ll take each of your points. They believe just like many whites that:

1. Remember, they are Trump supporters. Some gerrymanders work in their favor. Unless they live in Maryland.

2. Their “kids” are adults and supporting themselves by age 26. To hell with those other freeloaders.

3. They aren’t convicted felons. Not purged from the rolls.

4. Never have been suspected as being a non-citizen.

5. If the mother’s didn’t want to be separated from their children, then don’t break the law. When their brother got a DUI, he was separated from his kids.

6. Good. Don’t want the government handouts anyways. They invested in the company 401k and have their own. Didn’t waste it all on the latest Iphone and fancy vacations.

7. Believe that environmental protections are far better now than in their childhood.

8. Unions have outlived their usefulness.

What about that list are blacks not capable of believing? Or again, does your party control blacks so much such that this sort of thinking against your dictates is unfathomable?

[BobLibDem]

@UltraVires

3. They aren’t convicted felons. Not purged from the rolls.

Bullpucky. People have been purged from rolls for failing to return a postcard to verify that they are still at the same address.

2. Their “kids” are adults and supporting themselves by age 26. To hell with those other freeloaders.

Those kids often still have low-status jobs that offer crappy, if any, health insurance.

Good. Don’t want the government handouts anyways. They invested in the company 401k and have their own. Didn’t waste it all on the latest Iphone and fancy vacations

Not a handout, these are programs that help the working poor.

[Urbanredneck]

@iiandyiiii

The GOP, Trump, and Rush Limbaugh thank you (and laugh at you behind your back) for accepting without question the bullshit propaganda they spread about the party they oppose. Newsflash – most Democrats, and most Democratic politicians, do not favor removing tax-exempt status from any churches based on LGBTQ stance. But don’t let facts get in the way of your blind acceptance of propaganda.

Look at Quicksilvers post #84 and #86 above and tell me again no democrats want this.

[iiandyiiii]

@Urbanredneck

Look at Quicksilvers post #84 and #86 above and tell me again no democrats want this.

I didn’t say no Democrats – I said the vast majority of Democrats, both in and out of office, have no interest in this.

[QuickSilver]

@Urbanredneck

Look at Quicksilvers post #84 and #86 above and tell me again no democrats want this.

I’m not a Democrat.

[RioRico]

@Kearsen1

I’d like to interject that raising taxes (directly ) and raising taxes indirectly (tariffs)
are taken vastly different, can you understand why?

Yes. Direct taxes require passage by both houses, and a presidential signature. Tariffs are applied arbitrarily by the executive alone with no constraint except veto-proof votes.

@Jasmine

To anyone out there who is among the 28% of the Trump Hispanic vote: He f***ing hates you and thinks you and your country are dirt! Congratulations for being totally gullible idiots. LOL

Fed enough propaganda, many can be persuaded to vote against their own interests. Cf Kansas.

[Wesley_Clark]

@road_lobo

Many white women are bigots. They grew up in the same households as conservative white men. They are not feminists. There is no mystery.

I agree, I’m just confused why of every group that the GOP is hostile to, why are women one of the few loyal ones?

Nonchristians and atheists are overwhelmingly democrats. LBGTQ are overwhelmingly democrat. Non-whites are overwhelmingly democrats. etc.

But women as a group are at best mildly democratic. It curious why being a woman is the one group the GOP is aggressive and hostile towards that still identifies with the party.

Like with race or religion, it doesn’t seem to matter what race or religion you are, if you aren’t white or christian you tend to be a democrat because the GOP is openly hostile to non-whites and non-christians. Black, latino, indian, native american, asian, atheist, muslim, hindu, etc. People know what the GOP ‘really’ stands for and people who know it’ll victimize them reject the party and what it stands for. Women in the GOP on the other hand seem to be more ok with being treated as second class citizens more than people who identify with their race or religion for some reason.

[Velocity]

@Wesley_Clark

curious why being a woman is the one group the GOP is aggressive and hostile towards that still identifies with the party.

The best explanation may be that the 53% of white women who voted for Trump genuinely do ***not ***feel that Republicans are hostile or aggressive to them; indeed, they may find it a cozy, familiar and welcoming environment.
Incidentally, it’s noteworthy that we don’t have a single conservative woman here on the Dope (at least as far as I know of.) We’ve had a black conservative, Hispanic conservatives, Asian conservatives, atheist conservatives, etc. - but not a woman conservative here, despite women being demographically more numerous than those other categories.

[Bullitt]

@BobLibDem

From Wikipedia

You just made my point.

@BeepKillBeep

Certainly, you’re not arguing that income inequality isn’t growing?

Piketty, T., & Saez, E. (2014). Inequality in the long run. Science, 344(6186), 838-843.

Tsui, A. S., Enderle, G., & Jiang, K. (2018). Income inequality in the United States: Reflections on the role of corporations.

Saez, E. (2018). Striking it richer: The evolution of top incomes in the United States. In Inequality in the 21st Century (pp. 39-42). Routledge.

Saez, E., & Zucman, G. (2016). Wealth inequality in the United States since 1913: Evidence from capitalized income tax data. The Quarterly Journal of Economics, 131(2), 519-578.

Smith, A. D. (2019). Income Inequality, Polarization and Electoral Politics in the United States (Doctoral dissertation, Georgetown University).

Jones, C. I., & Kim, J. (2018). A Schumpeterian model of top income inequality. Journal of Political Economy, 126(5), 1785-1826.

And so on.

“The Truth About Income Inequality”, The Wall Street Journal.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-truth-about-income-inequality-11572813786

[UltraVires]

@Wesley_Clark

I agree, I’m just confused why of every group that the GOP is hostile to, why are women one of the few loyal ones?

Because under no reasonable metric is the GOP hostile to women. Unless you think that women as a whole simply want to be able to have as many abortions as possible.

[iiandyiiii]

@UltraVires

Because under no reasonable metric is the GOP hostile to women.

Unless celebrating gropers and sexual assaulters, and acting against serious and thorough investigations into rape and sexual assault, counts as “hostile to women”. I think it counts, but YMMV.