any tyupos were also copied directly. Sorry 'bout that.
I do not believe the ending is a dream.
This isn’t that perplexing. First, they know they can stop murders. Second, they know where this murder is going to take place. Third, they know Cruise’s character has Agatha. Fourth, they don’t know where they are. Fifth, they do know where they will be.
Hence, do their pre-crime thing and go there to stop the murder like any other time.
Shib: “So she may have already seen it in the tank, and if not, what goods a psychic if she can’t foresee an old guy and his coins?” Not only that, but Agatha was the strongest psychic. However, there may be a little problem of “they can’t be psychic except at the brim of consciousness”. Dunno, though… the whole thing wasn’t very thoroughly explained, I think.
Quote:This isn’t that perplexing. First, they know they can stop murders. Second, they know where this murder is going to take place. Third, they know Cruise’s character has Agatha. Fourth, they don’t know where they are. Fifth, they do know where they will be.
If they wanted to stop the murder at the hotel room, than why don’t they show up there? Also , why let them go at the temple , and than try to catch them at the mall
I submit that the writers didn’t want to stick another ludicrous escape action seqence that would have involved Cruise and Agatha . Because if they had continued with the chase at the temple Cruise had no chance of escaping with Agatha in her condition. So they gave us the ridiculous premise that since she was in the vision there was no way they could stop them from getting away.
Cruise is in the vision from the beginning , but that doesn’t stop them from chasing him. Why not just wait for him at the hotel room , and make the arrest then. Of course , like I said , they don’t show up at the hotel room anyway which makes this theory quite ridiculous.
Remember that they are never able to locate the hotel room. I submit that the Pricrime Unit, knowing that catching Anderton and Agatha is next to impossible, decide to focus on finding the location of the room where they are certain the two will be in a set amount of time. The fact that they (with little precrime-squad leading experience) are unable to do so in the given amount of time is hardly rediculous, given the difficulty the master cop (Cruise) had with the murder at the beginning.
It’s not the fact that they don’t show up at the motel room that I find ridiculous. It’s the fact that they let them escape at the temple that is ridiculous. Stopping pursuit of Cruise and Agatha at the temple, just because she is in the precognition of the murder scene, doesn’t make sense. If they assume that they are going to escape anyway, why were they trying to catch Cruise for the movies last 50 minutes.He also was in the precognition, shouldn’t they have just said. "Gee, Anderton is going to murder this guy , we will have to wait for the end game to arrest him however because there is no way we can stop him now.
I appreciate the effort of trying to clear this perceived plot hole up for me. I can get by all of the other paradox’s but I just can’t let this one go.
Gen, not to rain on this parade, but IIRC it was the guy from the Justice Department who made this suggestion… not anyone in pre-crime. It is quite possible he just wasn’t thinking correctly, no? Or am I misremembering events?
Not thinking clearly?? This is a movie, with writers and such, characters don’t think, They spew whatever is written. Who cares who’s idea it was not to pursue. The fact is that this was the only reason given for not chasing him and it is a pretty piss poor reason imho. Plus the precrime unit must have agreed with him, if they didn’t it certainly wasn’t shown that anybody disagreed. Which , come to think of it , may have been an interesting scene. Like I stated before , I can forgive some of the other questionable character decisions and actions and the parodoxes, but this scene stands out in my mind for some reason as totally laughable.
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**I see. You like your characters implausibly intelligent and without flaws. No problem.
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Do I sense some sarcasm:)
I did like the movie by the way. As a fan of sci-fi I am used to the type of paradoxes presented in this movie. I didn’t have a problem with the basic premis. I just thought that some of the scenes were poorly written ( the temple escape, the eye surgery,the scene at his ex wife’s house) and or edited and this one scene in particular kinda bugged me. Characters don’t have to be"implausibly intelligent" but they should be consistent. There is no way that Anderton should have been able to get away from the temple without at least giving us a good chase or a good reason not to chase. Again, I submit that the fact that Agatha is in the precognition is not a good reason for anyone to assume that they will get away. They didn’t just let Anderton go on his merry way. What has changed to make them act differently now. This is inconsistent and it bugs the hell out me
Well , I only saw the movie once ( and I don’t plan on seeing it again) so I may be mistaken. But IIRC the sequence went as follows: Anderton sees precognition and runs ( everybody runs). Pre- crime police try to catch him after aquiring his trail at the GAP.
Anderton escapes. Then they chase him at the lexus factory and he gets away there ( I forget how they pick up his trail before the Lexus scene) He gets his eye surgery (they try to catch him while he is recuperating). Ok so far. They have tried to catch him three times. Anderton is in the precognition. Why don’t they assume , as they do in the next scene that there attempts are futile. Anderton goes to the temple and gets Agatha. He is in precrime headquarters, surrounded by Pre-crime officers. He gets sucked down the temple drainage system. Instead of going to where the drain emptys and catching him , he is allowed to escape. . The excuse for not pursuing is that since they now know that Agatha is in the Precogniton that they are powerless to stop him. Then they try to catch him at the mall.
Someone please give me a probable explanation or tell me there isn’'t one and I will let it go
I also only saw it once, but I was under the impression that the order not to give chase wasn’t because she was in the precognition, but rather for her safety. She was FAIAP a hostage. As she is the key to the whole precrime system, nobody wants her hurt or killed.
Of course, the fact that it was Witwer (the government guy) that stopped them is interesting to me for a few reasons. If you buy the last twenty minutes of the film as reality, perhaps Witwer already had his suspicions about Burgess/Von Sydow, and, being the de-facto authority, allowed Anderton to escape to further his investigation. Technically, regardless of the reasoning behind his order, the Precrime staff had to obey him- that was the edict from Justice.
But then again, I’m really fond of the possibility that the end of the film is fantasy, because it would explain so much about the dramatic shift in tone. In that case, I revert to the original explanation, they didn’t want to accidentally hurt or kill Agatha.
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**I also only saw it once, but I was under the impression that the order not to give chase wasn’t because she was in the precognition, but rather for her safety. She was FAIAP a hostage. As she is the key to the whole precrime system, nobody wants her hurt or killed.
Well , that would be an explantion. When the movie comes out on dvd in 6-8 months maybe I will revisit this seeming lapse of logic. Until then I will just let it go.
Just saw this movie today, and I enjoyed it. I’m also enjoying reading everyone’s theories and thoughts on it (especially the last thirty minutes being a dream theory.) There was one thing that bothered me a lot, though.
What exactly happened to the prisoners that were in stasis in that room? In the beginning, the man who was going to kill his wife seemed really afraid of the halo, like it would take away your thoughts or something. When we first saw the prison, it looked to me like the prisoners were reliving their crimes over and over, so that seemed pretty bad. But then, someone here said that the jailor made it seem like prison wasn’t so bad–that the prisoners were living in dream worlds. Thoughts?
Also, I felt really smart being able to explain the pre-cogs names to my boyfriend afterward. Agatha, Dashell, and Arthur? Christie, Hammett, and Conan Doyle. I’m such an English nerd.
