They didn’t have children in the garden because they were only there a few days!!
I did challenge him on his tree of knowledge vs breeding point. I don’t have a problem for most non-Christians in this thread.
That’s not part of the book of Genesis, though. That was written many hundreds of years later by somebody who was trying to fit Jesus’s death into the Genesis story. We have no evidence that the authors of Genesis took that interpretation, and it’s certainly not in the text of Genesis.
Nice guess. Can you provide a cite for that?
Otherwise, we can assume that it was sometime less than 130 years.
Genesis 5
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
Socks with sandals
I think you better go back to Genesis and reread it. I’d point it out to you again, but it’s already in this tread several times. Eve eats, adam eats, (sin) they now become cursed and will suffer death…a death that they would not have suffered had they remained in the garden.
Romans 5:12
Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned.
This is not an attempt to fit Jesus into anything. It’s the Apostle Paul explaining the fall.
That is a really nice verse, I like it a lot. I want to see more of that …
First Tim 2:
…9 in like manner also the women, in becoming apparel, with modesty and sobriety to adorn themselves, not in braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or garments of great price,
10 but — which becometh women professing godly piety — through good works.
11 Let a woman in quietness learn in all subjection,
12 and a woman I do not suffer to teach, nor to rule a husband, but to be in quietness,
13 for Adam was first formed, then Eve,
14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, into transgression came,
15 and she shall be saved through the child-bearing, if they remain in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.
Sweet.
There are other non-canonical works you might be interested in. One is “The Legend of the Jews.”
Although I don’t have a date for this material, it seems to precede Genesis.
This is an interesting passage that I’m sure will gain the attention of many of the women here.
**The Legend of the Jews, 2, Woman. *
When God was on the point of making Eve, He said: “I will not make her from the head of man, lest she carry her head high in arrogant pride; not from the eye, lest she be wanton-eyed; not from the ear, lest she be an eavesdropper; not from the neck, lest she be insolent; not from the mouth, lest she be a tattler; not from the heart, lest she be inclined to envy; not from the hand, lest she be a meddler; not from the foot, lest she be a gadabout. I will form her from a chaste portion of the body,” and to every limb and organ as He formed it, God said, "Be chaste! Be chaste! "
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Clearly way more effort and attention was given to creation of woman by God.
(*translated by By Louis Ginzberg)
Not all the angels rebelled so that is why there were still angel who obeyed God Just the ones that followed Satan.
That makes no sense to me If an all knowing God knew what was going to happen he would not have had to test them.
Do you have a reference for this? Genesis doesn’t say how long they bade in obedience. (Adam did have time to name all the animals and birds, which probably took more than a few days…)
Okay, sorry, I misread your post about relevance.
What makes them think that the person or country is not blessed? It seems like they are telling God to do his stuff. I would not make my children beg for what I knew was good for them, nor hold anything back I knew would harm them or others, I expect God to be a better parent than me.
People assume that failure is the end of all hope. It is not. Earthly existence provides a physical body, and that body is necessary for an immortal afterlife. Unfortunately, mortal existence provides an opportunity to fail and God certainly realized that. That is why he providing the Atonement.
For God’s plan to proceed properly, he had to kick them out of the house, so he devised a foolproof plan to make it look like they fucked up royally, making sure Uncle Serpentor nudged things along so that when He got back he could pretend to be surprised at what went down.
This looks like some prime incoherent gibberish to me. Are there clerics who teach stuff like this, or did you just fry it up fresh?
Yes there are.
My point was a factual one about how the language functions, not an abstract one about theology.
Please, point that out again, because I don’t see where it says that in Genesis. I see where it says it in Romans, but where in Genesis?
Yes, but that’s not the point I’m trying to make. I’m saying that the whole “angels rebelling” thing isn’t in the book of Genesis, like you claimed. It’s in the Enochian books. Genesis doesn’t have any angels rebelling, just wrestling, destroying cities, telling people about pregnancy, and holding swords.
Genesis 2:17
“…but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”
Genesis 3:19
"By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”