Huh. Jesus, Stephen. Did not think he would write something that bad.
Look, he likes nipples, and he wants to insert them into his…fiction. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose.
At least he uses the word “nipples”. Unlike Jim Butcher, who only ever refers to them as “tips of the breasts”.
Tabitha must have been busy elsewhere during the entire process of writing and editing IT.
I think It is one of his best books, but more than a little problematic about women. Leaving aside the teenage gang bang(!), he has a female domestic violence survivor who plays right into the incredibly damaging, “She actually secretly likes getting beaten” trope.
I don’t generally think of him as having a major problem writing women, though. However I am reading Billy Summers right now (surprise! MC secretly wants to be a writer!) and from reviews I’ve read it sounds like the protagonist’s relationship with a sexual assault survivor goes into cringe territory. So I’ll call him hit and miss, I guess. I thought Gerald’s Game was perfect.
Technically, I think it was the cocaine that wrote that.
I wonder if Tabitha did the cocaine with him.
Oh, goody. That thread in IMHO has been bumped, and look who’s back, continuing with her slut-shaming bullshit? I’m sure she’ll come over here and say I must only care because I want to see boobies, because her essentialist worldview doesn’t allow for people having actual opinions that differ from hers. All that matters is that sex workers get ostracized and fired, because “they know it’s wrong.”
I didn’t say that. That phrase is not being used to discuss how women feel. It’s being used as a criticism of a specific work. And it’s not a good criticism, because there are works that are written by and directed by men that aren’t bad.
Eonwe’s actual point is to say that a lack of female involvement in the writing process has (allegedly) resulted in the male fantasy version of female empowerment.
I also note that you took that phrase out of context. My point in that is to describe what parts of the post I think created the confrontational tone.
It seems I approach this differently. I saw what happened, and wanted to understand why people were upset. I rejected the OP’s belief that it was because of misogyny, or people objecting to discussing misogyny of a work.
It’s just considered rude as fuck to come into a discussion about a fictional work and attack it, when you haven’t even seen it. And, because Eonwe violated that social rule, they were seen as having bad intent.
Isn’t using the word slut shaming in and of itself?
I hardly ever get to say In and of itself!
What? This is a pretty common term to refer to that sort of behavior. I’m fine not using it, if there’s an alternative term.
You better stop mansplaining to her or we’ll have half a dozen posters here explaining how Beck is only slut shaming* from a place of feminist concern for women
*pending a better term being suggested
No. Why?
The most widespread and insidious use of the concept certainly does avoid explicit use of the word, masquerading as something virtuous. Slut-shaming absolutely should be called by its name when we see it to expose it for the ugly thing that it is. That’s kind of the point.
The exposure also entails a sense of reclaiming the word slut to empower women - to dare people who slut-shame to justify why the concept of a slut has ever been used as slur.
I remember the “slut walks” that were popular several years ago. I think the idea was to emphasize that women had a right to dress and act how they please without shame, regardless of how the bluenoses of the world felt about it.
One of the very few threads I’ve ever had to mute, it was so frustrating. I’m wondering how homemade porn (consensual, not “revenge” porn) fits into all this. I can understand objections to the mega-porn industry, but for some entrepreneurs and people who get off on taping themselves and making extra scratch by releasing it to the world? Who gives a shit is what I say. More power to them.
Exactly.
Tom Sawyer is saved when Jim decides to give up his freedom to save Tom’s life.
It is, of course, still primarily Huck’s story, and about his challenge to reject racist beliefs.
I don’t know how Eonwe identifies so I don’t know if they are writing as a woman or as an “ally” but I don’t think it matters for the purpose of this discussion. So I will respond accordingly …
How a woman feels about a film is going to be part of their criticism.
There are but that doesn’t mean this is one of them.
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Yep. That is their point. This view was informed partly by people who have watched the movie saying this. This is a complaint one hears about a lot of other movies as well.
Whose rule is that? If you felt they were threadshitting you could have reported it.
I really don’t understand the hostility to Eonwe’s original post. Most mainstream movies are still being made by men. Men often do a very bad job writing about a woman’s experience. There have been loads of reviews and critiques that discuss this, both in general and about specific movies. I have a hard time believing this is a new concept for most people here.
Several posters have said that it’s fine to decide not to see a movie based on trailers and reviews. That’s exactly what Eonwe did. Why the tone policing? I don’t think they were being dismissive, I think they were expressing a perfectly valid frustration with the way things are in Hollywood.
The people who are getting angry about Eonwe’s comments seem to be men. The defenders seem to be mostly women. That says a lot right there.
I keep seeing this in this thread (and the one that started this one). What is this “woman’s experience” you and others keep speaking of? It makes it sound like there is one experience and men (mostly) get it wrong. All women know this…right?
Which is ridiculous. There are millions of experiences women have. Heck, @BigT has firm beliefs on sex work. I am sure not all women would agree with her. So, when writing about female sex workers how do we decide who got the “experience” right? Who is the arbiter of this experience? Being a woman is not enough by itself because, clearly, women will disagree about it.
That’s not to say there is not sexist crap out there in movies (and other art). There most certainly is. But I am not sure merely saying a man wrote something is sufficient, by itself, to come to that conclusion.
Don’t dare me.