I’m with @Whack-a-Mole … I think it was an amazing movie but I am shocked that so many of the pundits and award givers agree with me. I think many people will dislike it. For a variety of reasons. And some like my wife both liked it and disliked it! She was expecting more comedy and experienced it more as a horror film.
But to be part of a discussion about it you really have to see it. Without that all you can say is that the trailer and descriptions make it not seem like something you’d like. And no matter what awards it wins that may be true.
I’m kinda shocked those numbers are so high. I am glad a weird movie is so well received. Gives me some hope that Hollywood will not only turn out bland, cookie-cutter movies.
The other recent great weird one was “Everything Everywhere All At Once” last year (that one I will wholeheartedly recommend to almost everyone).
And I don’t think anyone has said it is horribly misogynistic. “Written for the male gaze” does not mean evil or wrong. As I said above, Huckleberry Finn was written by and for white people, but it’s a good book. Just one that may be not-worth-reading for a black person, because the ratio of cringe to value may be too high.
I can say that the story appears to fall into a trope that is routinely misogynistic, and is going to involve a lot of cringe. And I have another comment, but I think it belongs in the other thread.
I looked a bit and I can find no digital release date for the movie. I see some speculation it will be in February but that is only a best guess. I don’t even see it as a DVD on Amazon yet.
I will say I saw this in the theater and had more fun with it. Partly because I was kind of committed in a way you simply aren’t when sitting on your couch at home. Kinda gotta stick with it. All too easy to stop and walk away when viewing at home.
ETA: Do not watch this with kids around. More than a few parts are borderline pornographic.
I haven’t been in a movie theatre since the first Borat movie. I’ll keep myself entertained in the meantime as it seems Amazon Prime does have Everything Everywhere All At Once on streaming. The weirder the movie, the more I tend to like it.
If you have not seen that yet it should go right to the top of your must watch list. (so say I)
Truly a great and wonderful and weird movie (not sure how old your kids are…there are some adult only moments in that one too). FWIW: “Poor Things” is way, way, way weirder.
ETA: If you have not seen it yet check out “Brazil”. Great movie. Very weird.
Sorry, didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, and will not continue “ranting at” you. To be fair, your own posting style doesn’t exactly give the impression that you object to brusque or aggressive remarks.
I don’t object to that; that wasn’t the point of my posts. Rather, my issue is that you come in guns blazing about how I am “foaming at the mouth” when you are the one introducing that level of intensity to the discussion, not me.
Hmmm. It did sound a little… insufficiently hinged, so to speak, for you to jump on Beck’s brief and categorical rejections of porn in particular with a bunch of gratuitous sarcastic extreme extrapolations from that about Beck’s hypothetical rejection of sex as a whole. Yeah, that still comes across as somewhat “foamy” to me.
If you can come up with an alternate explanation for why one would oppose porn but not any other form of media where women starother than a puritanical attitude towards sex, I would genuinely love to hear it.
And I don’t think Beck rejects sex as a whole. She has kids, doesn’t she? Kinda hard to make kids without having sex, unless God knocks you up with His next prophet, apparently.
Eonwe saw the trailer and thought the movie didn’t look good. She read reviews from people who agreed with that initial take, and gave articulatable reasons as to why the movie is problematic.
WRT to this hypothetical sandwich:
you got a glimpse of the sandwich and thought it was iffy
a person whose opinion you respect took a bite and spat it out saying it was disgusting
you tell me that this sandwich is awful
I then come back and say Nope! You need to buy the sandwich, give the person making it your hard earned money, then eat the whole damn thing because maybe that last mouthful makes the rest of it worthwhile. Once you’ve done all that, you can have an opinion.
My issue is more about gatekeeping opinions, and demanding that people who make controversial works be paid before one can opine on those works. Eonwe’s opinion is based on the trailer and reading reviews from other people who watched the whole movie, we should accept the opinion on that basis. It’s just an opinion, after all.
Aren’t you just gatekeeping the opinion that someone who hasn’t seen the film doesn’t have an adequate understanding of it?
If your position is that nobody should be silenced, I completely agree. But your position seems to be that @Eonwe’s opinion should be held immune from disagreement, or that all opinions should simply be “heard” without rebuttal, that all opinions are necessarily equally valid.
5 men. Five. Responded to my post about my opinion pornography is a horrible thing for women.
That’s what mansplaining is.
Telling me I’m a geezer, a granny, a little woman who should keep my mouth shut, cause oh, tsk tsk hon, you just don’t understand.
One woman, who disagreed with my opinion. But said so in a manner that is not degrading and saying I’m stupid to feel like I feel.
I believe all porn is bad. Men, women, gay, straight, group. All.
If they stopped making it today and forevermore, I promise you guys won’t run out of the crap to look at. So stop worrying.
As for movies made for the big screen. Women have been over sexualized for 100years in film. Since Theda Bara batted her eyelashes the first time.
Sexy sells.
Hollywood knows this. The world wants it.
I think if a woman is an actress with an agent, a career that may go somewhere and can do the part. She should. If she chooses to get naked and do sexy things that’s okay with me. I hope they do a great job filming it. And it furthers her ambitions and pads her bank account.
Porn stars are not the same thing at all. All you men know this. It’s made for one thing. Common knowledge. We all know it.
I have not seen Poor things. I like the look of the trailers. Emma Stone is a decent actress. I think I’d like it.
Easily. For example, the strong connections between the porn industry and lots of dubiously legal forms of sex work, among other factors, mean that women working in porn are very often exploited and abused.
Condemning the production and consumption of porn on those grounds doesn’t automatically mean that the critic in question believes that “sex is bad” or “women who like sex are bad” or “sex is inherently defiling to women” or any other of your “puritanical” caricatures. Any more than condemning the production and consumption of factory-farmed meat automatically means that the critic’s a vegetarian.
(Nor, to forestall the inevitable “gotcha” attempt, does it mean that the critic doesn’t realize that exploitation and abuse of women also occur sometimes in other entertainment industries. Likewise, factory-farming opponents realize that mistreatment of livestock also occurs outside of factory farms too.)
Can you link to a post or posts that you think constitute an “attack” rather than pushback? I’m not trying to be clever, I just can’t see anything like that.
I’m glad I saw them. Everything Everywhere All at Once was all anyone was talking about for a while. And the only thing cringy about seeing it was that we saw it with my kids, and my son’s spouse had just told him they were leaving him, so some of the relationship stuff was cringy due to my family’s immediate circumstances.
And I’m part of a team named “Central Services” after the group in Brazil. I’m glad to know the history, and why the team is called that. And… it wasn’t exactly my cup of tea, but it was certainly an interesting movie.
Still, I may not be the market for “weird movies”.
I’ll keep myself entertained in the meantime as it seems Amazon Prime does have Everything Everywhere All At Once on streaming. The weirder the movie, the more I tend to like it.