Such as?
Pretty sure he’s saying that he’ll cooperate with a prison rape, which means he wants it.
Pretty sure if I was about to be raped in prison the threats and consequences would be very explicitly stated. Agreeing to have sex with a pushy asshole is not rape and you do a disservice to rape victims by claiming it is so.
Whheeeeee…I love this place sometimes. Now is not one of those times.
Pretty sure you ought to be in such a situation before you speak for others.
Bull. Threats can be implied by those in a position of power, and it is possible for a memory of a previous threat to lead one to believe that not submitting will lead to dire consequences, even if there is currently no verbal threatening going on.
No, I’m pretty sure I am smart enough to realize when someone says “I was not threatened in any way” and “I said ok” that means they were not raped. Because I know what words mean.
Including the meaning of the word no? Because that’s what we’ve been discussing.
Actually we are discussing a person who says she agreed to sex, says she was not threatened and says she does not feel like a victim. That you want to continue to insist she is a rape victim against all justifiable logic is simply ridiculous.
After all, isn’t saying “Westboro Baptists are inbred retards” pretty much the same as “All fags are going to hell”?. And aren’t I, deep down, really Marie of Romania?
#1.
Okay.
The issue at hand was whether it’s such a big deal to ignore a woman when she says ‘‘no’’ to sex. The poster, to illustrate a point, related one such anecdote, in which (IIRC) she explicitly said ‘‘no’’ several times, and then he started tearing off her clothes, so she said ‘‘okay.’’ Obviously she did not consider this to be a pleasant experience because that was her point of relating it in the thread - to say why pressuring women into sex is a bad idea. Because of the implicit threat that she interpreted and the fact that she acquiesced with a pushy guy because she feared getting beat up.
That may exist completely independent of the intentions of the guy who fucked her. Maybe it was rape, maybe it wasn’t, I don’t think we have enough information to make that judgment. Maybe she experienced it as rape and he experienced it as consensual sex. I really don’t think it matters, because the entire point of her anecdote, which supports her initial argument - is that it’s really shitty to pressure a woman into sex. You may not think you’re being threatening but that doesn’t mean your actions will not be interpreted as threatening.
#2.
So I took a few days to get my shit together, and came back to this. Yikes! This is so not the direction this board should be going. This is what’s problematic about moderating prejudice. I’m sure it’s a very difficult job, and you can’t please everybody, but I don’t think the average person would think twice about those jokes as being misogynist. The sexual comments in the Pit and ‘‘cunt’’ rules are dumb enough, the last thing we need is ‘‘look what the feminazis did to our message board!’’
And while we’re on the subject, yes, people are completely shitty to religious folks here.
I think this has turned from a discussion of the rules into a regular debate, and it has run its course. I’m closing this now.