How big a degree of a crime is it for someone to claim they have “top security clearance” in the military? They were using this statement as a form of intimidation against more than one person, (the implied threat was that they had power, and would use it to cause harm to the people, and get their way) when I know they haven’t even completed boot camp yet, and that West Point declined to accept their application. What is the crime exactly, and how likely is it to be investigated, much less punished if I should report it? There are other threats this person has made, such as sabatoging a vehicle so others could not make use of it, and theats to cause bodily harm/kill. What statutes are being broken? Can you link them in layman’s terms, and how/where I should go to report this if I should so choose? This is my first GQ thread, and I am honestly confused enough by this turn of events that I’m coming here to ask these things. Thank you.
Ah, to clarify a bit. The person is also still claiming that West Point accepted their application, but this is untrue. They were given a letter of recommendation, but West Point declined to accept him.
Um, the reason I know that West Point declined to accept him is that his parent told me so, as they held the letter declining him.
Had the clearance at one time. As far as I know you can say you have it when you don’t–just don’t be the poor sap that allows access to the sensitive information to the liar. The clearance is not power, and it is not unrestrained access to any information you want. It’s realy a burden and a pain in the ass. Now if he has the clearance and he’s tellin’ secrets, that’s a whole 'nother Oprah.
If he’s currently under investigation to GET the clearance this little story of yours could likely prevent it from happening for him.
The other stuff you mention sounds like various degrees of assault/harassment. I don’t know the legal repercussions of that, but where I’m from it usually involves a simple can o’ whuppass to correct.
I was going by the premise that a police officer cannot use his position of authority to intimidate others. I doubt he’s under investigation to GET such clearance, he’s not intelligent enough for it. (I’ve seen his grade cards, and heard him answering SAT questions, he’s of about average intelligence, and dumb in many areas.) Mr. Clawbane and I know someone who got such clearance, and his intellect is of better quality than this person. It’s the fact that he’s lying consistently about his apparent power and position, and using this to “get his way” that concerns me. He’s using these lies to terrorize and subjugate people, as he’d have done with me and the other person had we fallen for it.
Tack the phrase “for personal gain” onto the end of this sentence please. :smack:
Ain’t no crime against being a dickweed. 
There is no statute on the books preventing a person in the military from using their power as such to terrorize and subjugate citizens of the country they are serving for personal gain? Is this what you are saying? There are, surely statutes on the books preventing police officers from using their status to get personal gain, aren’t there?
I am absolutely confused as to this persons station in life at this time. I am getting the following: He’s a kid in Army boot camp, has applied for and been rejected to West Point. If he’s in boot camp, for the life of me, I don’t know what kind of ‘clearance’ he would have for anything. Next, I seem to be reading that he is a cop? (where does that factor in?) and, who is he getting his way with? I can’t believe you are getting people to answer you, you’re not making sense.
He’s not even gone to boot camp yet. He’s related to Mr. Clawbane, and will be graduating High School soon. He’s not a cop, but I was under the impression that similar statutes were made, and applied to military personnel as were applied to the police forces, if not more strict. Re-read what I wrote, it is actually clear.
Are you saying this person is presently IN the military? I don’t think we understood this, merely that they had applied to West Point. Most applicants are civilians, I would think. Also, if you’re talking to his parents and lookin at his reports cards, it doesn’t sound like you’re in a camp with him.
I doubt it’s a crime for a civilian to claim they have “top security clearance”, as frankly it has no specific meaning in the civilian world.
If he is in the military, there are lots more rules that apply to personal behavior of xoldiers. I’m unable to say for sure what those might be, however.
Bleh, let me further clarify. He’s taken the physicals etc. and has signed up. He’ll go into active services sometime in the future after he graduates. Clearer now?
Boyo Jim This is why I came here. He’s in a kind of “grey area” because he’s a recruit, but hasn’t even gone through boot camp yet. He is however, most definitely using his “percieved” power for personal gain, and deceiving people as to what his actual power is.
In the process of enlisting but not yet in Basic. Essentially a civilian with a goal and a belligerent ass. Not yet “In the Army” and so basically not yet subject to the UCMJ.
He ain’t a cop, but is representing himself as a soldier=government employee with some inherent authority.
ltfire chill, and rerereread the postises.
Security clearances are researched and granted simultaneous with Basic Training. God protect the dope that enlists for a security job and then fails to get the clearance and needs to be reassigned according to “the needs of the Army.” heh heh heh…he may yet get what’s coming to him
ltfire In my case, he was lying and claiming to have an authority he didn’t in order to make a personal gain, to intimidate me into backing down. We wanted use of a vehicle to drive out of town so I could get to a medical appointment. We were going to use a relative’s vehicle, this person did not want us to take the vehicle.
This particular relative (of Mr. Clawbane and the other person) has both Mr. Clawbane and this guy on the insurance for this vehicle, and had given permission for us to make use of it that day, so I could get to a doctor’s appointment out of town. He wanted to use the vehicle to go out with his friends (personal gain) and so was using intimidation to get it. That’s one specific incident, there have been others. I don’t take being physically threatened (which he also did that same day and other days) and having my spouse physically threatened lightly. He made the threats in the same breath as his claims of power and authority. I cannot make any other person’s claims but myself, but we’re not the only ones he’s done this kind of thing to. He also, in the same breath threatened that “next time you want the truck, it won’t work” along with threats of serious harm. This is why I came here, to find out what, if anything I could report.
So this is a kid still in highschool? Under 18? There is a technical moment when one becomes “property” of the military and subject to it’s discipline, and that is part of the swearing in ceremony when the recruits take an oath to uphold the constitution. I know this from a friend who worked for Vietnam Veterans Against War. Among the things he did was counsel kids who had second thoughts about joining up, or soldiers who were thinking of going AWOL.
But I don’t recall him saying when in the process the ceremony takes place. I would imagine upon reporting for duty at boot camp, but that’s just a guess and it could be earlier. Anyway, up until that point one is subject to civilian law, but not military law. Afterwards, a whole new set of rules comes in to play.
My best guess is this, and I am not a lawyer or a military person. Your friend is not yet considered a member of the armed forces, and is not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice yet. It is conceivable that reports of him claiming non-existent security clearances might result in them rejecting him from service for some kind of psychological reasons.
It is almost inconceivable to me that such claims would mean anything in the civilian world, as I said earlier. Maybe this person was committing some kind of fraud or racketeering, and this lie was somehow a part of it. But there’d need to be a whole lot more evidence of fraud to get an inditement. And frankly, you’d have to convince me that any reasonable person would believe that a 17 year old not yet out of highschool has a top security clearance.
When he starts boot camp, his DI will tell him he’s a piece of shit. That’s what his actual power will be.
So, how do I go about reporting this? To whom do I go, and what do I report precisely? I know to give details, but what is the “label” I apply when I report it? This needs to be stopped, I can only imagine what kind of power trip he’ll go on once he’s got a uniform. He’s THAT kind of person.
On preview, Boyo Jim he’s 18, nearing 19. I’m not certain if he’s been “sworn in” yet or not, but he’s signed all the papers, completed the paperwork.
Zabali_Clawbane just step away for a moment.
What are you going to “report”? That this guy intimidated you out of use of a car for a day? And he did so by saying that he has a “top security clearance”?
It sounds like this guy is out of high school, and waiting for boot camp to start. IF he has signed all the paperwork, the Army has probably started processing him for a “Secret” clearance. These can be done with basic checks of criminal databases, a few phone calls, etc. A Secret clearance is really no big deal.
As to this guy’s attitude, it WILL change when he shows up at boot camp. No ifs, ands or buts. Also, when he puts on a uniform he’ll be private no-stripe in a world where everyone outranks him. Humility will be a hard lesson for him, but he will learn it.
pilot141 He made threats of serious bodily harm to me and my spouse, and he lied, misrepresenting his authority. He also threatened to sabotage the property of a third person, while makeing these threats to us. Also, if the military digs very far, they will find that he has a juvenile record for shoplifting, he was almost 18 the last time he was caught for it, and was 18 and still doing his probation for that crime. I don’t believe he got his records sealed either, because in a conversation with me about it, he directly stated his belief that it was an automatic thing once he turned 18, that he didn’t need to apply to have it done. That’s on top of the fact that he’s just not smart enough to make high end security clearance. He had trouble answering basic science questions from the college assesment tests for crying out loud.