One thing about today’s Wild Boars press conference was that they said they could all swim, though some of them weren’t “strong swimmers”.
That was something that our own Ale wrote a few pages back … that the reports that none of the boys could swim were false. I am curious as to how Ale knew that, but I completely understand Ale not wanting to get into it on a message board.
The rest of your analogy (using actual statements between Musk and Stanton):
Fire chief (Stanton) says “yes build the fan, it could be useful”
You say (Musk) “sounds good will continue…however, don’t want to put it on a plane if important changes are needed…”
And the fire chief (Stanton) responds “it is absolutely worth continuing with this development in as timely manner as feasible. If the rains hold out it may well be used”
You say (Musk) " if it’s not needed or won’t help that would be great to know, otherwise it would be helpful to have as much design direction as possible"
And after it’s all done, some guy that is NOT the fire chief, says you should shove the fan up your ***.
Anyone know if Musk tried to get anyone on his team who was familiar with caves? Did he contact the National Speleological Society or the Cave Research Foundation to see if they could send someone to work with them, and give them a sense of what cave environments are like?
Because I’m still rolling my eyes at the pix of the Cave Dildo. I’m trying to think of a cave I’ve been in where it could have gotten very far in.
Maybe Cave Mountain Cave, which has a pretty big entrance passage. But that’s the only one that comes to mind.
…if I had intended to quote exactly what you said then I would have used the quote function.
ok
…with all due respect, I don’t give a fuck what Stanton said. That had nothing to do with what you quoted from me.
If it weren’t for Unsworth the boys would be dead.
https://www.unreservedmedia.com/british-diver-insists-not-heroes-thai-cave-rescue/
He called on Stanton. He insisted that they keep looking for the boys. He knew the layout of the caves.
Stop trying to diminish what this man did. He was one of many key people and if he hadn’t been there from the beginning this whole thing would probably have ended in tragedy.
Nope. Not because he tried to help.
Seriously bad analogy. This wasn’t a fire station. This was a crisis. A race against time. This was a largely volunteer effort, pulled together out-of-nothing where people put their lives on the line with a plan that had potentially multiple points of failure and they worked together and somehow managed to make it all work.
Unsworth owes nothing to nobody. Stanton isn’t his “boss”, he’s just the guy who had all the right skills who (appropriately) took charge during the operation. Because when you have a plan with multiple points of failure hobbled together on the fly with lives on the line thats how you get shit done.
shh, he’s busy carrying the water of a billionaire who doesn’t even know he exists.
Of course it does, it shows that, at minimum, one of the guys in charge of the rescue wanted Musk’s help and wanted him to build the thing.
In summary:
1 - Musk offers help, offers an idea
2 - Stanton says essentially “yes, that might be useful, plz get it done as fast as possible”
3 - Musk says “ok, plz let us know if you don’t think it will be usefull and plz provide design guidance”
4 - Unsworth says Musk can shove this thing up his ***
What did Musk say or do that you think deserves a verbal attack from Unsworth given that Musk was working at the direction of Stanton?
Is it because Musk offered to help at all?
Is it because the thing that Stanton thought might be valuable wasn’t actually needed?
Is it because the design wasn’t appropriate?
Is it because Musk tweeted about his attempt to help?
Is it because Musk has a big ego?
Certainly this is one reason I object. Many other people and groups were actively involved in the effort and I don’t remember hearing from any of them. And his response to Unsworth, whatever the provocation, was immature and inappropriate.
I completely agree with all of this. I thought his tweeting seemed self-centered and his response to Unsworth was completely wrong.
But, tweeting about efforts to help, efforts that are approved and partially directed by Stanton, doesn’t rise to the level of “shove it up his ***” comment from Unsworth. That is rude and immature.
One of the fascinating facts that has come out is that four of the team members are not Thai citizens, but considered ‘stateless’–including multilingual Adul, the kid who actually greeted the divers when they first surfaced.
He flew the mini-sub to Thailand and took it into the cave himself. There was absolutely no reason he personally needed to do that if his sole purpose was to be helpful.
I personally think Stanton was humoring Musk with his messages, but even if Stanton truly believed the sub could be useful, it clearly wasn’t needed by the time Musk flew to Thailand. Yet he still insisted on making a spectacle and detracting from the critical work going on at the time. Unsworth had every right to be mad.
That sort of thing (taking the mini-sub into the cave himself) is an indication that he feels the need to be proven correct. That’s not what one would expect from a healthy, mature corporate CEO.
Musk is just mad because he tried to shove his way in as a hero and people weren’t having any of it.
One amusing bit from the press conference the other day; Adul (the English-speaking kid who spoke to the British divers when they were found) said something to the effect that he thought he was hallucinating when they appeared. I can imagine; they’ve been alone for nine days or so, are hungry and thirsty, and out of the water come two Westerners.
…did you seriously just make a list?
…of course it doesn’t.
Here’s what you quoted from me.
So how the fuck does the fact that “one of the guys in charge of the rescue wanted Musk’s help and wanted him to build the thing” relate to my statement that “there is absolutely no need to criticize Unsworth?”
It doesn’t.
Still nothing to do with what I said.
It wasn’t a verbal attack. It was a genuine response from a guy not used to talking to the media answering a question as asked.
Over the last few months Musk has spent his time attacking women scientists, including Upulie Divisekera, whom he called the science she specialises in as “BS”, and women in media who have been coming after Musk for the way he treats his workforce. In his attack on Unsworth not only did he call him a pedo (and doubled down on it later in his tweet-storm) but he also called out the rescue effort, said he never saw “this British expat guy” when he visited the caves, demanded video proof of the actual rescue, claimed the water levels were low and not flowing, claimed you could literally have swum to Cave 5 with no gear, and that he was going to send his submarine into the caves to prove that it could be done.
Are those the words of a person you would want to trust the lives of 13 people too? Do you really think that Musk had a clue what was really going on? The guy doesn’t have a fucking clue.
Unsworth answered your question in the interview. I’m not entirely sure why you are confused. The very fact that Unsworth believes that the sub couldn’t get the sub past the first 50 metres of the tunnel shows that the development of the sub was done in a complete vacuum. With zero consultation.
The fact that Stanton said essentially “yes, that might be useful, plz get it done as fast as possible” is irrelevant. Because I’m pretty sure that Stanton was saying that to every single offer of help that wasn’t directly getting in the way of the rescue.
It looks like the Thai government have offered the international teams elite five year visas, including airfare and a weeks free holiday vacation.
Pretty sweet thank you!
Yeah, so what happened with that last point? Did Musk actually try to send his sub into the cave, or was that just more off the cuff bullshit? I was really interested to see if the sub could actually reach the rescue point (pretty sure it couldn’t).
I firmly believe Musk was being humored. There is no way that sub was useful in a cave. Imagine being sandwiched into a tube that bangs off of every rock sticking out along miles of travel. It’s a Wile E. Coyote trip down a mountain only horizontal.
There’s another possibility.
In early reports, I remember seeing that Musk was going to create a soft, flexible capsule out of very durable but flexible fabric. It’s used for rocket fuel or something, if I remember correctly. I was surprised when I first saw pictures of the rigid steel capsule, because it was very different from what I was expecting.
Probably the original idea was what Stanton encouraged, but for some reason they couldn’t get it to work, so Musk made something completely different… and useless.