Mitt Romney's Speech

And here’s what Trump said back then: “Mitt is tough, he’s smart, he’s sharp; he’s not going to allow bad things to continue to happen to this country that we all love.”

Wait until Kim Kardashian runs.

I think that’s true for the primary but not for the general. There are a lot of voters who might vote Trump over Hillary who nevertheless value Romney’s opinion. He could successfully encourage them not to vote at all.

Yes, because then they haven’t lost control of the party, and they can come back in 2020. Count on it.

Or Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

A lot of those things Romney accuses Trump of doing actually happened, but the GOP did them. Supporting Putin over the president? The GOP Congress did that. Being dodgy about tax releases? That was Romney. He might as well have just stood there and said “Trump is as bad as the GOP has been”

Trump’s point, if you listen to the very next sentence after what I quoted, was that Mitt has no shame and no loyalty and that he’s a loser. And ya know what (and this is the big problem with a lot of what Trump is saying about GOP politicians and will be the same problem for Clinton): what he’s saying is true.

I wonder if Romney is aware of the irony in this situation? The party’s endorsement was lukewarm at best in 2012. He didn’t have a strong GOP Convention. There were even rumors of a possible floor fight. None of that helped in the 2012 General election. The GOP did the same thing to McCain in 2008.

Once again the party isn’t happy with their winning candidate and they choose Romney and McCain to denounce Trump. Oh the irony.

Haha! We got him now!

I have to differ. They HAD a ‘true Republican’, a Bush, and he sunk like a rock. They don’t have any other successful Republicans to turn to. Look at the last 2-3 elections and make a list of the candidates. Are any of them better answers than Romney or Bush?

Funny, isn’t it, that the Democrats went big for ‘change’ in 2008. Now it’s the Republicans’ turn.

If you think about it, there’s not a good track record in recent decades of establishment candidates winning. . .McCain, Dole and to a large extent, Mitt Romney were all establishment favorites going in, while Reagan, Bill Clinton and Obama were not establishment favorites going in. But, they all became the establishment favorites. The establishment needs to come to the nominee, not the other way around. Mitt Romney’s irrelevant.

It’s fascinating to watch the entire Republican party melt down, though I’m unsure that this will be good for the country long term if they don’t get their shit together at some point. Luckily it looks to me as if Hillary has this in the bag, so I think having the Republicans basically take a rebuilding term off might be a good thing…assuming they get the right take away from this, which I have my doubts they will.

As for Romney, while I agree with his overall message that Trump is bad mojo, IMHO he’s angry at him for all the wrong things and basically his opinion on anything is questionable, to me anyway. There was an interesting story on CNN earlier that I’ll try and link to later if I get the time that showed the difference between Romney’s fathers protest against Goldwater compared to Mittens protest against Trump that was very interesting, as well as high on the irony meter…and shows just how fucked up the Republican party is these days and how far they have gone over the edge.

So what does that make Trump, for saying Mitt is tough and smart and sharp and unwilling to let bad things happen? Does it mean that Trump was lying, or that Trump was stupid? Does it mean that Trump was trying to con people, or that Trump got conned?

And what does it say about Romney that he begged for the endorsement of a fraud and conman?

My guess to how Trump might respond to those questions?

“I thought Mitt was the best choice at the time, because Obama is a disaster. But the stress of campaigning, which he didn’t even finish, he disappeared the last month, the loss twisted him and made him resentful, obviously, of someone like me who is successful in business and now, in politics. He’s just a sad little man, a loser who’s so angry at himself and at the world that he’s saying and doing some very dumb stuff right now, because he isn’t a winner like me.”

Trump will say something like that, and the issue will be settled.

Using my Trump-channeling:

“Oh sure, now Mitt Romney wants to call me names and attack me, but 4 years ago he knew how important my endorsement was and he wanted it so bad, he’d have done anything I told him to do to get it. He’s pathetic. We don’t need to hear from that loser anymore, America needs to hear from a winner. I’m a winner.”

I agree with the poor track record of establishment candidates recently. I think a lot of it has to do with the amount of compromise that is necessary to get full party consensus on a candidate. The man (or woman) needs to be so bland and have such smooth edges that they are stripped of any character or passion that might attract voters to them. It’s tough to whip up any real enthusiasm in the voters minds for bland candidates like McCain, Dole, and Romney.

I think that may be the prime lesson the Republicans need to learn from Trump’s success.

You might have missed this story, XT:

Yeah, that’s perfect…exactly the image I had in my head. Thanks Bo. :slight_smile:

Side from what I and other have said, something has been bothering me about this that I couldn’t quite put my finger on. What I think it is now is the degree to which Romney (who I supported and I like) grossly overstates his statesmanship.The fact is, that among all the talents he might have, knowing how to win the presidency is not one of them. I get that Trump is too much of a carnival barker for him, or even me, but who the hell does he think he is that anyone gives a shit about what he thinks about what a winning Republican candidate should be.mI admire and like Romney, but with this move my reaction is “Who the fuck gives a shit about what you think who should be the candidate?” You had your chance, you lost. The only thing you have expertise when it comes to running for president is how to lose. Oddly, he brought me closer to Trump, not further away. Not happy about that, but the other guys are disappointing me big time, too.