Mitt Romney's Speech

[wolfpup]

@RickJay

Well, I have to disagree with your point right here. Trump clearly has no policies; everything he says is opportunistic silliness and he changes his mind depending on whose fears he’s talking to. His only clear, unambiguous policy so far is that he will get Mexico to pay to build a giant wall, which nobody in Republican Party believes is anything but a fantasy based on his having watched “Game of Thrones.”

Trump’s only “policy” is that he wants to be President. He has no defined position on anything else. He isn’t clearly a Republican OR a Democrat. He’s just a Trump. His entire strategy revolves around not elucidating policies at all; he appeals to emotion, not policy. “Make America Great Again” is not a policy.

Well, the word “policy” might be too strong when applied to Trump, the same way that saying that a six-year-old throwing a tantrum has a “policy” or a “strategy” isn’t really accurate! Nevertheless, Trump makes statements – about Mexicans, Muslims, immigrants, the appropriate way to deal with the countries they come from and terrorists specifically, building a border wall, and many other things – that are simultaneously both outrageous yet represent the hitherto unspoken beliefs of much of the Republican base and some of their nuttier would-be leaders. I think this is a very important point about one of the reasons the Republican establishment is so upset with Trump, as Steve MB also noted over here. This is one of the most intriguing aspect of this whole election.

Republicans have been masters at language craftsmanship and the dog whistle, for good reason. Many of the things they really believe about immigrants, foreign policy, and the distribution of wealth are not things you want to say in public or in polite company. The Donald just comes right out and says them. As someone quite cleverly put it earlier, they have been hoisted by their own retard.

[Johnny_Ace]

How one can claim to denounce Trump and then use the namby-pamby language that Romney did is completely beyond me. (It’s not like he has much of a stake in ruining his own political future, either.)

If you’re really going to criticize Trump, come out full-guns blazing. This stuff is a joke.

[CarnalK]

@Johnny_Ace

How one can claim to denounce Trump and then use the namby-pamby language that Romney did is completely beyond me. (It’s not like he has much of a stake in ruining his own political future, either.)

If you’re really going to criticize Trump, come out full-guns blazing. This stuff is a joke.

That is seriously full of shit. That was not "namby pamby " language at all.

[John_Stamos_Left_Ear]

@CarnalK

That is seriously full of shit. That was not "namby pamby " language at all.

Possibly Johnny Ace is a Trump supporter who thinks that unless you are commenting on dick size or what a “loooser” the other person is that the critique lacks real bite?

[Johnny_Ace]

Hahaha I’m about as far from a Trump supporter as it’s possible to get without being one of his exes. He may not literally be the last person I’d trust in the Presidency, but he’s certainly among them.

But if you want examples:

How about mentioning a truly gargantuan and unfounded ego, an apparent inability to pay any significant attention to inconvenient things like facts, policies hearkening to early last century if not earlier, the restraint and pettiness of a 6-year-old, a total lack of anger management skills, and a schoolyard mentality?

I think that pretty much covers the bases.

[John_Stamos_Left_Ear]

@Mitt Romney

If Donald Drumpf’s plans were ever implemented, the country would sink into prolonged recession.

But you say, wait, wait, wait, isn’t he a huge business success? Doesn’t he know what he’s talking about? No, he isn’t and no he doesn’t.

Look, his bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who work for them. He inherited his business, he didn’t create it. And whatever happened to Drumpf Airlines? How about Drumpf University? And then there’s Drumpf Magazine and Drumpf Vodka and Drumpf Steaks and Drumpf Mortgage. A business genius he is not.

And then what he said about on “60 Minutes”. Did you hear this? It was about Syria and ISIS, and it has to go down as the most ridiculous and dangerous idea of the entire campaign season. Let ISIS take out Assad, he said, and then we can pick up the remnants.

Now, think about that. Let the most dangerous terror organization the world has ever known take over an entire country? This recklessness is recklessness in the extreme. Now, Donald Drumpf tells us that he is very, very smart.

(LAUGHTER)

I’m afraid that when it comes to foreign policy he is very, very not smart.

Now, I’m far from the first to conclude that Donald Drumpf lacks the temperament to be president. After all, this is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter’s questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity.

Donald Drumpf says he admires Vladimir Putin, at the same time he has called George W. Bush a liar. That is a twisted example of evil trumping good.

There is a dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War. While at the same time, John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured.

Dishonesty is Donald Drumpf’s hallmark. He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq.

Wrong. He spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11.

Wrong. He saw no such thing. He imagined it. He’s not of the temperament of the kind of stable, thoughtful person we need as a leader.

Think of Donald Drumpf’s personal qualities. The bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics.

There’s plenty of evidence that Mr. Drumpf is a con man, a fake. Mr. Drumpf has changed his positions not just over the years, but over the course of the campaign. And on the Ku Klux Klan, daily for three days in a row.

Here’s what I know. Donald Drumpf is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Drumpf University.

I’m not sure how any of this is “namby-pamby language” and isn’t “full-guns blazing.”

[SlackerInc]

A more distilled version which perhaps puts it in sharper relief:

Dishonesty is Trump’s hallmark[…]
His imagination must not be married to real power.
[…]
This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.
Here’s what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He’s playing the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat.
His domestic policies would lead to recession. His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president. And his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.

[Frank]

@John_Stamos_Left_Ear

I’m not sure how any of this is “namby-pamby language” and isn’t “full-guns blazing.”

The source you are quoting used the word “Trump”, not “Drumpf”. Use the latter all you like in your own text, as puerile as I may think it is, but there is no reason to change the text of something someone else wrote.

[Fear_Itself]

@John_Stamos_Left_Ear

I’m not sure how any of this is “namby-pamby language” and isn’t “full-guns blazing.”

Not enough profanity, and too much grammar.

[SlackerInc]

NPR’s Ari Schapiro said on Bill Maher’s show that “this is the most consequential week in politics in [his] lifetime”. He was born a couple years after Watergate, so I buy it. This is a BFD, a "tell your grandkids " type moment.

[Northern_Piper]

@Frank

The source you are quoting used the word “Trump”, not “Drumpf”. Use the latter all you like in your own text, as puerile as I may think it is, but there is no reason to change the text of something someone else wrote.

Exactly.

I would go further.

The only reason to use “Drumpf” is essentially an anti-immigrant, anti-German slur.

So his family name was originally “Drumpf” but gradually changed to “Trump” a long time ago.

What point is there in referring to him as “Drumpf”, other than to frame him as “not one of us”?

[CarnalK]

Mitt: “All we got is a lousy hat!”

@Northern Piper

Why does Mitt say this as the end of his speech? Context, please?

It’s a play on the common t-shirt joke “my parents went to <fill in destination> and all I got was this lousy t-shirt”. Also, Trump has a dumb hat as part of his campaign paraphernalia.

[drad_dog]

@Northern_Piper

Exactly.

I would go further.

The only reason to use “Drumpf” is essentially an anti-immigrant, anti-German slur.

So his family name was originally “Drumpf” but gradually changed to “Trump” a long time ago.

What point is there in referring to him as “Drumpf”, other than to frame him as “not one of us”?

I don’t think that’s fair to say. He is a hypocrite about that. He slammed Jon Stewart recently for this and he is being called out for it. It’s like pissing in the ocean at this point, but still fair.

Plus there is software that automatically does it for you. So you might repost and miss the change…

[John_Stamos_Left_Ear]

@Frank

The source you are quoting used the word “Drumpf”, not “Drumpf”. Use the latter all you like in your own text, as puerile as I may think it is, but there is no reason to change the text of something someone else wrote.

I installed the “Make Donald Drumpf Again!” Chrome extension. It does it for me. I didn’t care to change it back because a) it’s funny b) everyone knows who I’m talking about and c) I’m lazy. Deal with it.

[John_Stamos_Left_Ear]

@drad_dog

I don’t think that’s fair to say. He is a hypocrite about that. He slammed Jon Stewart recently for this and he is being called out for it.

Yeah, the whole point of John Oliver making that the pièce de résistance of his Trump Takedown last week. It’s pointing out Trump’s hypocrisy with regard to a thinly-veiled antisemitic Twitter rant about Jon Stewart changing his name.

[Frank]

@John_Stamos_Left_Ear

Deal with it.

No, in fact, I won’t deal with it. Your extension will modify all sources that you use for news quotes, which is not against the rules here (as far as I know), but does demonstrate that you are perfectly willing to alter the text of your sources, thus making you unreliable.

It will also modify all quotes from posters that you use, and that is against the rules.

[Frank]

@drad_dog

He is a hypocrite about that.

I disagree. Trump was born with his name; Stewart was not. I have no objection to people changing their names, and it’s very common in the entertainment industry, but Trump is being an asshole about Stewart, not a hypocrite.

Plus there is software that automatically does it for you. So you might repost and miss the change…

Not my problem. Posters should make certain that they are not altering the sources they are using for cites.

[John_Stamos_Left_Ear]

@Frank

No, in fact, I won’t deal with it. Your extension will modify all sources that you use for news quotes, which is not against the rules here (as far as I know), but does demonstrate that you are perfectly willing to alter the text of your sources, thus making you unreliable.

It will also modify all quotes from posters that you use, and that is against the rules.

I posted Donald Drumpf’s words, not the words of a poster here.

If you feel that makes me unreliable, I am crushed but I will remove you as a reference on my CV.

Also, Junior Modding is “annoying and arrogant; at the other end, it’s a rules violation and warnable offense” (Emphasis, mine). So physician, heal thyself.

[drad_dog]

@Frank

No, in fact, I won’t deal with it. Your extension will modify all sources that you use for news quotes, which is not against the rules here (as far as I know), but does demonstrate that you are perfectly willing to alter the text of your sources, thus making you unreliable.

It will also modify all quotes from posters that you use, and that is against the rules.

Rather than attacking one source maybe it would be more efficient if you get the software that turns it back. Somehow I think this thing has legs.

[Frank]

@John_Stamos_Left_Ear

I posted Donald Drumpf’s words, not the words of a poster here.

No, you didn’t. You posted excerpts from Romney’s speech about Trump, which did not contain the word Drumpf.

Also, Junior Modding is “annoying and arrogant; at the other end, it’s a rules violation and warnable offense” (Emphasis, mine). So physician, heal thyself.

Who’s junior modding? I informed you that it is against the rules to alter a poster’s quote.