I just want to add that this post sounds flippant, but I am honestly bothered by things I posted and went along with.
It’s like when you’re a teen and having fun with this new group of friends who do wild things, but it turns out that they actually don’t give a crap about you and you realize you just broke the local convenience store’s window hoping to impress a bunch of dicks.
But you were the one being a dick in that case. Everyone else was telling you you were out of line. You did what you did of your own volition, and now you’re trying to push the blame off of yourself. Take some ownership.
on preview: this was in response to Whiskey Dickens.
Oh I own that one. Me and the other poster who were saying these things absolutely have to own it. Buck stops here.
For the record, the other poster who was with me in that one, is still a very active member and managed to avoid the pile on by not standing up for himself. Classy guy all around, fits right in.
Also, you’re cherry picking one incident and saying that Raffers always do the right thing about when to say party foul.
But you know that with 30 seconds of Googling I could produce links about burning people’s house down, sexual assault, off board stalking, etc.
This is a tricky issue to discuss, since it necessarily involves off-board drama. It’s not made easier by misrepresenting what happened over on the GB, or by misrepresenting what folks say here.
Whiskey, I’m not familiar with what you’re talking about, but if you were being terrible to someone over here, I’m glad you decided to stop; I don’t think indicting other folks for criticizing you for your target for being terrible makes a lot of sense. That’s the sort of behavior I’d rather happen more often, not less.
And Scumpup, that’s not remotely what expecto said.
But this thread is a minor example of what I’m talking about. Within two minutes of the OP’s complaints about harassment from people from GB, people are talking about it on GB; and of the first five responses to this thread, three are people from GB, and two of them respond in a pretty shitty way. Folks have mocked me over there for defending Chimera–not because they think the behavior Chimera talks about is appropriate, but because they think he’s a bad person, as though harassing bad people is okay.
I don’t think anyone on GB has told Morgenstern, or Fenris, or cochrane, that maybe they shouldn’t respond to someone complaining about harassment by posting the way they did. In terribly egregious cases like Morgenstern’s pit posts, sure, folks might step in gently to admonish each other; but in stuff like this current incident, the positive feedback loop continues.
I don’t know that mods here can do anything about it, but it’d be lovely if the good folk at GB would rein in their own members more, work more to short-circuit the feedback loops that encourage posts like Fenris’s and Morgenstern’s (and cochrane’s to a lesser extent) in this thread.
You know, all you’re doing here is increasing the traffic at the GB. 116 people are lurking there right now because of all this attention you’re showering on GB. For someone who’s so offended by it, why are you working so hard at increasing their traffic?
I worry that the rules prevent me from encouraging folks to go over there and read things for themselves; certainly there’s no way in which I discourage folks doing so, however, and if I thought it’d escape sanction I’d link to some specific posts.
Well, if a more pleasant board environment is desired for everyone and mods/admins here can’t influence (positively) stuff that happens there the solution would just be no more no holds barred forum that can be exploited.
It wouldn’t prevent nonsense over there. But it would prevent baiting and goading posters here in order to generate content and traffic there.
The positive feedback loop is observationally equivalent on this message board to a coordinated attack. Denials that coordinated attacks occur conveniently apply overly narrow definitions. See post 62 of LHoD for a more detailed characterization of mob behavior.
Some of the discussion has been interesting and informative.
That said, before I read the Skald thread, I disliked bullying and character assassination that had only a tenuous interest in substantiation. I still do. I had a dim view of posting behavior here which was 90%+ involved in attacks on other posters with <10% devoted to fighting ignorance or generating benign laughter. I still do.
LHoD is confused in that matter. The offer remains, PM me any proof of this if you choose not to post it. A request I made several hours ago and no one has yet responded to. Lack of proof may not be lack of truth, but it does bring motivation into question.