Look–there are two totally different issues here and they’re being lumped together under “Women’s Issues” and…to me…they’re not the same things at all.
People who make jokes about a poster’s honest questions or concerns–the obvious example is “I have a lump in my breast and I’m scared of what the doctor will find”/“Boobies! Hawt! Show us some titty-pics, baybee”.
Making fun of a bimbo or himbo. Paris Hilton IS a slut. Sorry if that sounds like I hate women, but she just is. So’s Anthony “Let me show you my” Weiner. Ugly as sin, but an obvious himbo.
For me, #1 is clearly off limits and I’d be happy to see warnings right off the bat–no mod notes, etc. But #2? Sorry–just because the 'bo has ovaries doesn’t mean that they should be off limits for PALTR. The psycho with the pope hat, shaved crotch and vagina showing? Who was flinging condoms into a crowd like a demented Easter Bunny giving out candy? I don’t want to see rules that limit our ability to mock them for engaging in clearly sexualized and stupid behavior.
But can one really be surprised that their important discussion (to them) about their body might be peppered with asides and wisecracking when they chose to post not in Great Debates or General Questions, but in** Mundane Pointless Stuff** I Must Share?
I’d appreciate it if anyone (not just you) could show a cite or two for the “Breast cancer! The lumps make your titties bigger. PICS!!!” type stuff. I have honestly never seen that here.
The only one that might reasonably be assumed to automatically joke about was “A news item that might include nudity but no sexual behavior”. Look at the “Pope-hat, no-pants girl”. Or senators snapping pictures of their weewee and texting them. These are clearly joke-worthy and should remain so.
You keep going on about this but you’re refusing to see what’s been said. It’s not a great debate to wonder why your period might be 10 days long instead of 4. In GQ you’re told to save anecdotes until factual answers are given so both of those are utterly ridiculous suggestions. That leaves IMHO and MPSIMS. Most of the serious topics ARE in IMHO and not MPSIMS but you seem invested in clinging to the notion that they’re all in MPSIMS and that EVERYTHING must be Mundane and Pointless even though the very forum is described “For general discussion: from frivolous chatter to deep thoughts; from harmless diversions to life-changing announcements.” so again, you’re wrong.
So the next time someone posts about a death or their kid having a disease they should expect snark and jokes?
Keep digging those heels in on this point that is pointless.
If there is ever a thread about some dude in a parade with his junk contorted into the shape of a pentagram, wearing a topor, and handing out IUDs, I fully expect snark.
I’m down with banning the inappropriate sexual references, hitting on female posters, and other generally creepy behavior. I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that a half naked woman in a Pope outfit is now off limits for jokes. I’ve been on this board a long time and I’d never have guessed that would have ever happened. I also don’t see how sexism is the priority here. If the point is to make this a more diverse and welcoming community then the priority ought to be on stopping jokes against:
(1) Religion and
(2) Conservatives/Republicans
Because if I were either of those I don’t think I’d last around here very long as they are constantly insulted.
I grasp it, it’s just wrong no matter how many times you say it or different ways you word it. Keep on keeping on though.
This one thread that was moderated before the decisions were all made seems to be one huge deal for people. I have to admit, I didn’t read it because I had no interest in it and I knew how it would go anyway. Still, all this over one thread before the new moderation guidelines were established?
The board here just erred by wanting to show the Sisterhood that they care about them. That their concern is the boards concern.<<hug>> It reminds me of how K-12 schools get saddles with all manner of zero tolerance well-intentioned politically correct stupidity. Some showboating chick posttests with no pants with her pubes shaped like a cross while wearing a pope hat throwing around condoms and the Sisterhood is offended that someone might make a joke at her expense. A funny one at that!
IN one regard, it’s worse than the nonsense at schools. Here we have nice fuzzy rules. So the mods can use them as, ahem, as and when they see fit.
Not sure how many other ways to say it. It would get moved from Great Debates, it’s not a debate. General Questions aren’t for people sharing their experiences, it’s for factual answers. Posting a TMI question about ladyparts can vary from woman to woman based on medical history, age, symptoms, etc. We cannot give factual medical advice so it would be moved to IMHO.
You keep railing on and on about MPSIMS as if that’s where they always are. More often than not, they are not. To get opinions, you go to IMHO. EVEN if they are in MPSIMS as you INSIST they are how are they different than death notices or kid is sick or husband has cancer notices? I guess in your estimation those people should expect snark and side jokes and hurdy durdy too?
Now, I’m done. If you want to still pretend you’re right then have fun doing it by yourself.
I agree with this. It seems like some people wanted to make a reasonable point about a specific type of comment that they’ve grown tired of, and another group has co-opted that to try to advance some broader agenda.
It is interesting that people are posting that they’ve been called upon to post to this thread. That adds an air of artifice to the whole thing, as does all the claims of having a silent majority on the issue. (Reminds me of Falwell’s claims to a moral majority back in the 80s.)
Ultimately, I’m not one to make lewd comments or gross jokes. I don’t even post to the forum or forums where this kind of thing is supposedly happening. I guess what offends me is ultimately that this is one small group trying to impose their sense of what the board should look like on other people. I don’t want to come here for the romantic dinner.
I also think Cartooniverse was raising some important points. The larger board ethos is edgy, off-beat and irreverant, not a bottle of rose and candlelight. Give me the former.
Seriously? After I explained with small words that the “romance” wasn’t the relevant part of the analogy, but rather the “privately operated social meeting spot with rules of behavior” was the relevant part, you’re still going on about wine and candles?
Because Twickster and Ellen both have said that the new guidelines would lead to the exact same outcome in the Popehattie McNopants thread.
And that outcome is one that I strongly disagree with. Mocking morons like that is one of the things I enjoy about this board and both Ellen and Twicks seem to have said that if you have ovaries and try to make some bizarre political statement about–something–you’re protected from mocking.
Well, up thread a ways a couple MPSIMS mods said they would moderate it the same way now with the new guidelines, which seems to not be in line with the new guidelines at all.
Popehattie McNopants. That’s fine. Also calling her crucifix-crotch or whatever, also making jokes about how stupid she is. That kind of mockery did not get moderated, and I’ve seen nothing to suggest that it’d get moderated again.
Fantasizing about performing sexual acts on her. That’s what got moderated and has been confirmed would be moderated again.
This distinction is lost in the rules drawn up in the OP, though. As far as I can tell, if you keep your sexual fantasies, even joking ones, out of threads that aren’t about your sexual fantasies, you’ll be fine.
Nobody is contending that I this not a privately operated social (virtual) meeting spot with rules. I think your original formulation was revealing, so I’m sticking with it. Since then, despite your protestations, you’ve gone on to suggest that gross jokes should be off limits, so yeah, I think you view this as a quiet little romantic dinner spot.
I view this place as a debate in the House of Commons, with slightly less restraint. You do your thing, I’ll do mine, and lets try to work things out without relying on suggestions of numerical or moral superiority.