I think you’ve missed the point. There isn’t one standard for men and a different one for women. It’s the same standard, except that in the real world only men seem to be breaking it. If women break it, they’ll be treated the same way.
If you disagree and think that some women are causing the same problem as some men are, then I’ll ask you to provide some evidence. Go to enginerd’s post and read the five examples given. Now find five similar examples where people were talking about some serious subject and a female poster cam into post a sex joke.
But the fact that Enginerd was able to find five different examples shows it’s more than just isolated incidents. You’ve conceded it’s jerkish behavior. So why should it be ignored?
It shouldn’t. But, 5 posts? That’s not very many considering how many thousands of posts are made here daily. Add to that, the remarks were mostly ignored and the conversations carried on without a problem.
I’m sure there’s more examples that could be brought up too. It just seems based on those examples that this is not such a big issue as everyone is making it out to be. I’d consider that a good thing and ISTM that we may hardly notice much of a difference after this whole issue settles.
Sure, those threads continued, but they probably had fewer posters than there would have been in the absence of the stupid jokes. And knowing that threads like that bring stupid and offensive jokes also discourage people from posting threads when they could really use some advice or support. Juvenile crap like the posts in those threads doesn’t benefit anybody, and makes the board a less useful and supportive place.
It took me ten minutes to find those threads, and four of them were spent waiting for the search engine. All I did was search for threads with “boobs” in the title, and then opened anything that looked like it was serious.
OK, I just went back and looked at that thread. Here are the posts called out by Twicks in post 41, I skimmed up to about post 60 or so, I guess there might be something really bad in the last 30 posts or so, if so feel free to bring it up
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Originally Posted by Reyemile View Post
Pics or it didn’t happen. Pretty standard comment, not suggesting rape in any way shape or form. (if this does suggest rape we have some serious issues with kitten threads)
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Originally Posted by EMCEE_98 View Post
Get some licks on that crucifix! Again considering the condition of the young ladies [del]pubic[/del] public hair, not unexpected. Suggesting rape? Possibly, but not in my mind. If you add in the next two comments I feel fairly safe in saying that this was not a call to rape.
That’s one lewd rood. OK, I had to look up the word rood. Pretty much a statement of fact, in that I would bet the Catholic Bishop would agree with this statement. Not a suggestion of rape IMHO
That’s her cross to “bare.” A straight up pun.
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Originally Posted by kayaker View Post
Indecent exposure? Having seen a few pics, I’d call her decent. Or better. Again a pun of sorts about her looks, not necessarily sexual.
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Originally Posted by Boyo Jim View Post
Punishment? Naked from the waist down? I’m thinking … spanking. “Oh, you’ve been a bad girl, a very bad girl!” **OK, this is probably the comment that got some people’s underwear in a wad. I would like to point out that bare bottom spanking has been a meme among little kids since before I was born, and I predate the internet by quite a bit. Juvenile hell yes, a suggestion of a want to rape? I doubt it. **
Again, how can you get support in General Questions or Great Debates? If that’s all you’re after, it’ll only get moved (right?) shortly after posting it. There’s really no other places for it to go, and like someone else said, that’s where other important life events (deaths, weddings, births, serious illnesses, job issues) are placed. Is it the fault of the members that it is called something trivial sounding?
They’re minor to you because you don’t have to deal with that sort of stuff all the time. And of course the women ignored them. Before now, what else was to be done about such “minor” “jokes”?
Except those are just some examples. These kinds of threads happen every single time. It gets seriously annoying after awhile. So to say, “suck it up, ladies, it’s not THAT big of a deal” misses the point.
I think you’ve missed *my *point. Read this thread. I’m talking about posts in this thread. That’s my evidence. Accusing men of jacking off while posting comments, accusing men of sexual assaulting women through their posts, calling people they disagree with “obnoxious douchebags,” etc. People have been saying this shit right here in this thread. These are posts directed at actual posters, which it seems to me, violates Guideline #1. Jacking off, sexual assault…these are accusations sexual in nature, directed at SDMB posters.
I’m not trying to make this a “tit for tat” type argument. I agree that “pics please” posts are inappropriate, and bringing sex into a serious thread about medical, fashion, etc advice needs to go. And those obnoxious posts have pretty exclusively come from men. I get it. All I’m saying is that I see violations of these new guidelines right here in this thread, and the violations are ironically coming from the very people who are clamoring for a crackdown on sex-based attacks.
Being accused of sexual assault for posting a joke about a pantsless woman handing out rubbers? Saying that that’s a call to rape someone? Or at the very least *implying *that posting those jokes is sexual assault? That’s over-the-line.
So, you think it’s easier for the moderators to deal with an increased amount of reported posts, by a large amount of people continuously, than to simply make a basic rule to get others to cut that sort of behavior out? This is similar to the argument that everyone should just use the ignore feature. It addresses the symptoms, not the problem.
It’s not that big a deal. We have rules against threadshitting and being a jerk. These rules will now be applied to posts like those Enginerd found. That’s it. That’s what’s going on.
I agree that the threads about the pantsless pope protestor and the cunt-punting sorority girl were poorly modded and probably an over-reaction to all the brouhaha. There will probably be other threads that will be poorly moderated in the future, but that is a cross we’ve had to bear for a long time. Hopefully the new attitude will be used only in bright line violations like Enginerd’s examples. And really those should have been moderated on the basis of lameness alone. Jesus, they made Beavis look like Oscar Wilde.
As I understand it, the policy is pretty much what you’ve said: “pics please” posts are inappropriate, and bringing sex into a serious thread about medical, fashion, etc advice needs to go. This policy is not absolute. The key is that there are times and places where it’s appropriate and times and places were it isn’t. There’s currently a thread asking people to post dirty jokes - I doubt anyone will get modded there. And this thread is discussing the policy so posts about it (including accusations about people’s motives) are on topic here.