Tom your post 389 in which you intervened was preceded by at least one hundred posts that were directly on topic, none of which were by robert123. This was a lively debate of one of the great issues of our time, which you intervened upon to steer the discussion away from any mention of fact or opinion critical of Islam. Your assertion is pure fiction.
Again, it is not a hijack to talk and debate about a problem when debating solutions to the problem.
And there are dozens of threads on Stormfront about the Holocaust. Your point?
Wrong. All of these discussions critical of Islam were terminated, while countless other threads were allowed to continue. Many of these actually *do *go off topic, unlike the one you intervened upon.
First of all, a simple glance at the discussions that were going on in the closed threads on the front page of Great Debates shows this assertion to be preposterous: the three debates that contained many comments critical of Islam, which were closed, were ongoing, lively, and on topic. The other closed threads (and also many that were left open) mostly were not. Secondly your complaint about my complaint on moderation might have some teeth if the thread started in this forum, the one set aside for these sorts of complaints, was not also closed.
I did so because in my first post I asked that it remain civil and that it not become a rehash of the closed GD thread. The first post after that skirted both lines and I closed it.
It was closed because it didn’t look like it would accomplish anything.
Case in point, this very thread has been open for a week or so and not closed despite both Tom and I participating in it. If we’re abusing our power we’re going about it in a funny way.
Your failure to abuse power in open defiance of predictions of power abuse is an abuse of your power and a blatant attempt to discredit the argument that mods abuse power.
A week or so that the discussions containing many factual, legitimate, and simultaneously offensive-to-many criticisms of Islam would have continued, had they not been terminated. Instead we get to (eventually) talk about the impediments to talking about them on this website.
I claimed that mods were using their power to shut down debate, which is whats been proven. Shutting down debate includes barging into the middle of an on topic, controversial debate, and making commandments as a moderator, even when the forum rules are being followed.
Oh idk, tomndebb not moderating? That may be an unrealistic solstice gift though. So how about doing a better job?
No, it hasn’t been proven, because it’s been shown to you other Great Debate topics about Islam are currently going on and not closed (see the link below, although this has already been pointed out to you).
So, since that’s resolved, I’m closing this thread.
And I’m someone who am not biased in any way, shape or form, toward any religion, group, or politics since I don’t even know or understand what Islam is about and I don’t care about politics, government, or religion…nor have I ever been or ever will be involved in debate about it, lest you think this is just another mod against you and trying to stifle discussion.
You’ve been answered many times and this thread doesn’t seem to serve any other purpose other than for you to argue against something that’s untrue. If you wish to talk about Islam or anything to do with it, please take it to Great Debates and–if it is and stays within the rules–much like this thread is, it should not be closed.
What are you claiming is supposed to be fiction? I never said that there was not a debate going. I only said that my participation was limited and that Robert123’s posts, after his first one, were attempts at hijacks. Those statements are true.
I did nothing to steer the thread away from the question of the OP. If you are one of those posters who believe that any mention of any topic is an excuse to post rants only vaguely related to the OP, you are wrong. Threads do wander and I have long noted and tolerated organic hijacks of threads. I see no point in letting a thread be derailed when the topic of the OP is still being discussed. In this case, Robert123’s posts were efforts at deliberate hijacks that led away from the OP. There was no purpose in permitting one poster to derail a thread when the topic had not run its course and there was still an open thread in which he could make the same arguments that were not off-topic hijacks. He was told several times that he could take up his hijack in the open thread or start a new thread. He chose to ignore my instructions and cry crocodile tears about “abuse.”
No poster or post that addressed the issue “What should we do about the hatred or violence related to Islam?” was Mod noted. Your claim of “steering” is the fictional one.
It is a hijack to demand that other posters “prove” a statement to be untrue when its truth has been accepted as the premise of the thread. It invites off-topic responses to debate the point that is given.
“All of these threads”? You are the one who is blowing smoke. Of threads in GD with “Islam” in the title, only the two I noted have been closed; over 75 others are still open, today. Your attempt to refute that by pointing to one thread hardly supports your false claim that “all” have been closed. And your example thread was allowed to run its course and finish without closure two and a half years ago. Jonathan Chance only closed it, now, because you deliberately tried to provoke him by reviving it in a way that violated his instructions to you. It was not closed because of its topic.
Whatever the reason for its closure, I had nothing to do with it. I note that more than one of those threads were closed by Mods who have not been part of the discussions of Islam and I have closed none of them. You are simply flailing around looking for accusations to hurl at me that are disconnected from reality.