Monty, you fucking idiot.

In this thread I asked whether granting Abu Abbas some leniency might serve the interests of the USA and of the west in general. I do not say it has to be that way, I just proposed the idea which I think has merit and asked for opinions. All opinions were welcome and respected and addressed. But being the asshole and fucking idiot that you are you cannot address the substance and be civil and you have to resort to the argument

That is pretty much the extent of your argument and want to address it better in the pit so you may better understand me. I asked you nicely there to not poison the thread with your petty attacks but you just had to insist. Let’s see if I can make myself clear here: You are a fucking moronic idiot of the most idiotic kind and that is a fucking moronic lie and I am fucking sick and tired of you and people like you just using “he’s anti-American” as a disqualifying argument. Idiots like you are the real enemy of intelligent people everywhere.

In that thread I have not blamed America or said America was wrong one single time and you have to keep repeating that it is just my anti-American bias. Where do you get there that I am blaming America for anything or that America is wrong about anything? The thread is not about and does not discuss whether America is right or wrong about anything. In that thread I do not even take any firm position and never said Abu Abbas is any angel. I merely said that treating him leniently might better serve our interests and the interests of the world. And yet you seem to find the reason I am all wrong is that I am prejudiced against America. The fucking thread does not find ANY fault with America you fucking moron. Learn to fucking read before you ruin a perfectly good thread. Many people disagreed with me in that thread and I have no problem with them because they were civil and addressed the OP objectively and we exchanged points of view which is what it was supposed to be about. We were having a pleasant exchange until you arrived because you had to drag your stupidity in there and even when I asked you nicely to knock it off you had to insist.

Let me explain something to you. I have never , ever attacked America as a country nor its political or economic system. I have always defended those systems as the ones most to my personal liking while always defending the rights of other countries to have different systems and understanding that what I like best might not be what others like best. Read my fucking posts and you will learn I have defended on multiple occasions the actions of the US government at home and abroad. I defended the result of the last and messy presidential election. I have defended the concept of the electoral college. I agreed with the US position over the Hainan incident. I agreed with the bombing of Lybia. I have defended American style capitalism in many threads. I am squarely on the side of Israel. I defended the first Gulf war. What the fuck more do you want? If there is anyone with a history which does not make him suspicious of bashing America that would be me.

I just happen to disagree with the current administration on the legality of this war and on the erosion of civil liberties and human rights. I disagree with their foreign, isolationist and unilateral foreign policy because I believe it is bad for America and bad for the world. And I happen to not be alone. In fact, there is plenty of similar thought in America and much more around the world. Those of us who happen to think like that are not disqualified from expressing our thoughts and I am fucking tired of idiots like you using the “anti-American” label to disqualify our positions. There is nothing more anti-American than people like you who try to tar people and taint them with your shameful labels. Fanatics like you are the real danger to peace and freedom. So please go fuck yourself and leave me alone. It was an interesting thread until you popped in.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Hope you two enjoy your own private aviary.

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It was a bit more then that I think.

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The above quote is from your OP. The OP didn’t mention whether or not showing mercy would be in our interest or the interest of the west in general. You wanted to know whether or not this guys apparant remorse was cause to show him a little mercy. Yes, your next post did express the idea that showing him mercy might be great propaganda for our side.

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You’re really going to bat for this guy. Nobody agrees with you so then you accuse us of wanting to treat him harsher then most murderers in the United States. Ignoring of course that most murders in the United States don’t involve pre-planned hijacking. Well I guess you might have been right after all. Given that his crime was worse then most murders I suppose we want him treated accordingly.

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Well…

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I take it to mean if this guy is really sorry and we insist that Italy imprisons him that the United States would be wrong.

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I disagree, I think you took a fairly firm position. I don’t think it is correct or particularly well thought out but it seems firm enough.

Marc

What MGibson said.

So, MGibson, you interpret my phrase

as an attack on America (which I do not even mention BTW) and you do agree with Monty that my posts of late are

and that my sole and only motivation is

You agree that my motivation is dislike for America rather than any possibility that I may think I have a valid point? The question here is not whether I am mistaken or not, that is for the other thread, the question here is whether I am motivated by anti American sentiment.

Ok, Monty thinks so. MGibson too. I would like all those who think I am motivated by my anti-American bias to please say so. Because if there is any significant number I am doing a very bad job of explaining myself and I need to know. How many people here believe the contents of my posts are motivated by anti-American sentiment rather than my honest view of things?

Well, sailor, I didn’t read your comments as anti-American. But then, I’m apparently anti-American too (according to Monty) because I criticized the way the Bush administration is conducting the war (in the “Fifty Centuries of Human History” thread), so I’m maybe not the guy to ask.

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Well you caught me. I don’t actually think you hate America nor do I believe your only motivation for the topic was a dislike of America. Actually I think you’re a pretty decent fella. I do think the OP of that thread had more to do with just punishment then it did with good old fashioned American propaganda.

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I understand, I just don’t think you were being completely honest in the OP of this Pit thread. In the OP of this Pit thread you said the other thread was about mercy being used to serve US interest in the mid-east. The OP of that other thread certainly didn’t indicate to me that it was about propaganda and good will. That popped up later in the thread.

I don’t believe they’re motivated by anti-US sentiment. I don’t think you’d be quite so willing to give this guy a break if it weren’t for being against the war though. Just an opinion, I could be wrong.

Marc

So, you resort to attacking Monty? Hypocrite. :rolleyes:

Well, not necessarily. The Pit is the place to be doing any attacking on these boards.

Marc