More SDMB arguments I'm sick of

Here are arguments that people make with some regularity that are so utterly idiotic and meaningless that they should be banned. Well, not banned because that would be censorship. But when people try to use them, automatic software should cause mocking laughing faces to appear and shame that person into not using these so-called arguments.

Warning: the first two are political, the third one isn’t

(1) The fact that a movie about the assassination of Bush was made is somehow evidence of how much Liberals hated him. This is total BS. The movie (a) was not made in America at all, and 99% of such discussions are about Americans, and (b) was in no way endorsing such a killing and saying “la la la, wouldn’t that be wonderful”. Rather, it was using that as a launching point for a hypothetical “what if” scenario. (And again, it wasn’t something like “what if Bush died? Oh, well, we would all join hands and sing in harmony” or anything like that).

Yes, a lot of people REALLY hated Bush. Really really really. No argument there. And I’m sure that you can find a fringe who carried posters bearing just about any hyperbolic and insulting “Bush = XXX” message you like. But the movie is not further evidence of that hatred.

Now, I think there’s an interesting and legitimate question as to whether the movie would have been made about a more popular, less polarizing, president. But that’s a far different issue from the one that people keep dragging this out for.
(2) When something bad happens to a conservative who a lot of liberals dislike (recently, Cheney and Glenn Beck), and there’s a thread in which at least some number of Liberals make comments that range from gallows humor through tastelessness all the way to “that ****er had it coming”, and someone says something like “wow, you liberals sure are the party of nice tolerant people, we can see it right here in this thread” or some nonsense like that, as if they’re caught us all in our own web of lies. There are many things wrong with that:
(a) as far as I know, liberals never claimed to be the party of being nice
(b) while I certainly believe that liberals are, in general, more correct than conservatives (since, after all, I think liberal views are generally the correct ones, as I would expect a conservative to think the opposite) that in no way means I think liberals are better than conservatives, and I would not make such a claim without adding so many restrictions as to render it meaningless
© there are hundreds of active liberal posters on the SDMB if not thousands, no more than 20 ever post in any of those threads. They don’t prove a damn thing about liberals as a group
(d) as far as I know, there is no accepted cornerstone of liberal thought or philosophy that says “you shouldn’t make fun when bad things happen to people you dislike” which is being hypocritically violated in these threads
(e) as miller eloquently said in the Beck thread:

(3) When some relatively new technology is discussed, most notably cell phones, and people make dismissive comments about how not having cell phones never killed anyone, and oh these people think they’re going to die without their cell phones, blah blah blah. You know what? I’m 100% sure that not having cell phones DID kill a fair number of people over the course of history. Do you really think there was never a case where some family was (for instance) stranded in a car in sub-zero weather with no way to call for help? Or someone had a heart attack while they were away from their home phone (or, heck, before home phones were invented) and they couldn’t call a doctor? Or any number of similar situations? Obviously humanity as a whole survived without cell phones. And obviously humanity as a whole could again. But to use such a clearly factually false turn of phrase just makes you look like a luddite.

(And even on a much lower level of import, it’s 100% indisputably clear that there are various situations in everyday life that are made easier by cell phones. When you and someone else are rendezvousing somewhere, for instance, it’s incredibly handy to both have cell phones with you so you can say “I’m over by the ticket counter” or “I’m running late, please buy me a ticket”, or whatever. Obviously these are not earth- or life-shattering, but it seems to me to be so definitively clear that cell phones are a very useful thing that it’s just bizarre that people try to claim otherwise. Now, do cell phones have issues? Are there legitimate things to complain about? Of course! But the same is true of any technology.)

Similarly, “back in my day dad would drive us across the country and we’d sit in the back seat of the station wagon with no seat belts and we never died”. Well, obviously YOU never died as you survived to post here. But don’t you think SOME dad driving a station wagon at some point had an accident and his kids died because they weren’t wearing seat belts?
Less irritating, in the same general vein, are things like “back in my day we had metal jungle gyms with exposed bolts and you fell 11 feet only hard asphalt and we never died…”.

What bad thing has happened to Glen Beck? Allow me to say in advance – yippee!

Oh, and certainly the lack of a cell phone never killed anyone historically speaking. Who would people in trouble in the 17th century have called? Where were the cell towers?

I agree with you on number 3. People constantly died needlessly who may have survived if they had a cell phone, just as people died needlessly without modern antibiotics, without the Internet (doing stupid shit that they could have just Googled to find out was a very bad idea - not that people don’t still do this even with Google or that Google is always right. But the greater access to information has surely saved some lives), without GPS devices, and without any number of other things that modern technology has spawned. Get the fuck over yourselves; clinging on to ancient ways doesn’t prove anything other than that you are fearful and stubborn.

When Twitter saves somebody’s life we will truly be vindicated.

Glenn Beck has been diagnosed with macular dystrophy, which may cause him to lose some vision.

Well he’s always had a shitty point of view, so big deal.

Yayyyyyyyyyy!

Who’s Glenn Beck?

Don’t tell me, I was just joshing.

It’s the hypocrisy argument. Or perhaps I should say, it 's the “hypocrisy” argument.

People seem comfortable with imagining hypocrisy to not merely encompass acting in opposition to one’s stated beliefs, but also in opposition to the inchoate set of beliefs that might be imputed to them through some sort of undefined process.

In general, so goes the thinking, someone who speaks of tolerance and acceptance, of valuing life, of happiness and puppies, is a liberal. And obviously these sorts of vies are at odds with The Dance of Joy upon learning Beck may lose his eyesight. Therefore, all liberals are hypocritical.

Your point is well-taken. I think I’ve been guilty of leveling this criticism in the past, used more as a needling rhetorical device than a substantive argument, and I’ll certainly remember this point going forward. It’s as wrong as accusing Bennett of hypocrisy for his gambling.

One I’ve often seen in a thread where the OP is complaining about something - a legitimate complaint, not something stupid:

“Well, if that’s the worst thing that ever happened to you, you live a charmed life!”

  1. the poster never says it’s the worst thing that ever happened to them
  2. so what if it’s not? Are we only allowed to vent about things if they’re the very worst thing that ever happened to us?
  3. funniest when said in a mini-rants thread - a thread meant for people to vent about things that are MINI, and obviously not the worst thing that ever happened

Your last line suggests to me that you STILL do not get it. Given that I just saw this same stupidity from Sam Stone, who I know I’ve had to explain this to before, I’d say that you are not alone in being thick on this subject.

If the thinking goes that the tolerance that (apparently in the minds of many conservatives) distinguishes liberals from conservatives includes “valuing life, of happiness and puppies”, then the thinking is being done by a moron. It can’t be evidence of hypocrisy if it is made up entirely by the person making the accusation.

The tolerance that distinguishes liberals from conservatives, in the main, is one in which you do not run around with signs protesting Adam and Steve or suggest that a Muslim community center is some kind of affront. More generally, if people are doing something that you don’t like, but it is nevertheless not harmful to you or to others, then you tolerate it without being a dick about it. It most certainly does not mean accepting the beliefs and positions of all people, particularly when they are at odds with liberal principles. How could such a position actually work, and who could actually practice daily life in such a fashion. Didn’t Christ even go in and bust up the money changers tables?

I think you ought to reconsider this kum ba yah bullshit cartoon that you believe about liberals. I’m trying to remember the exact quote and who said it, but there was a line by Garrison Keillor or Calvin Trillan that said something about a liberal is someone who likes people in general but has no use for most individuals. Perhaps not entirely accurate either, but closer than the idea that liberals are more tolerant than Christ was supposed to be.

Um… no. I do get it. I agree that this is not a valid criticism. Apparently my post came off as sarcastic; it was not meant to be.

“A liberal is a conservative who’s been through treatment.” - Garrison Keillor

“I love mankind, it’s people I can’t stand.” - Linus

If so, then my post, in response to you specifically, was probably a bit strong. As a result, I’d very much like to hold your hand and sing a song together.

My post still stands for those who find liberal intolerance of bullshit to be somehow hypocritical.

Well, I did always like Linus. Maybe that was it. I had recalled it as coming from a real life humorist though.

Thanks for looking for it.

Isn’t “Kumbayah” the usual standard here?

As a child of the 70’s and consumer of commercial television, I tend to prefer “I’d like to teach the world to sing.”
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As I recall, you never did establish why this accusation was supposedly “wrong”. Most of us saw it the claim that Bennett was not being hypocritical as a variation of the no-true-Scotsman fallacy (i.e. a specific vice was kept off the table, both by Bennett and his defenders, for no other reason than that it happened to be the one Bennett practiced while inveigling against vice generally).

That’s it? I was hoping that motherfucker was gonna die!

There were plenty of cell towers in the 17th Century, although most of the cells were in dungeons rather than towers. :: ducking ::

A little too much time on your hands this morning? :stuck_out_tongue:

Got to go with Bricker on the second thing. As long as “we” are calling out people for saying shitty things when bad things happen to conservatives, we can’t very well complain when they do it back.