Mormon proselytizing: does the LDS church really benefit?

Thank you. While I’ve never had an LDS missionary come to my door, I did encounter a member of a different branch of Christianity who tried to get me to accept Christ as my Savior and didn’t seem to understand that I already had. Since this was on a Greyhound bus, I was rather stuck with his company. I’m afraid I may have hopelessly confused him when I ordered him not to make me renounce my faith in Jesus Christ. :confused: That and another incident are the reason I’m rather leery of people who are out to convert me to their faith.

With great respect for you, dangermom,
CJ

As a former mormon and a “returned missionary” (I completed a mission), I’ll offer another prospective.

We weren’t really encouraged to (and actually discouraged from) discussing church pros and cons of church policies.

As others have mentioned, being a rite of passage is a large part of the experience. Unfailing adherence to strict rules is usually required and if often a central part to the experience. Some examples: We were permitted to play half-court basketball, but prohibited from the full-court version. Swimming and fishing were not allowed, and movies were right out. We were told to avoid newspapers and TV. The times to leave and return to our apartments were set. No dating. No phone calls home. Classic music was OK, but most others not.

It’s been many years, so I don’t remember all the rules, but you can get the idea.

Growing up in Salt Lake, although there wasn’t any overt pressure to go, but there ware social pressures. Some are small – my friend’s family was less receptive to me after I had turned 19 (the age when a young man can go) without going (I went when I was 20). Young women are strongly encouraged to date “returned missionaries” and I had one friend who wanted to go to Japan for the sole reason that it was an exotic location and he figured he would be more popular with the girls after his return. He went Stateside and I went to Japan, but it didn’t help me! :stuck_out_tongue:

An interesting perspective, TokyoPlayer, and a little bit disconcerting. And it reminds me that it’s not just the fact of Mormon proselytizing that many people find irksome, but the manner. That whole white-shirt-dark-pant, joined-at-the-hip thing puts a lot of people off from the get-go. Hence my initial question, which is why the LDS church so vigorously pursues missionary efforts that cause a certain amount of anti-Mormon backlash.

That’s why they’re not after you, Sal Ammoniac. They prefer people who are comfortable with the conformity. :wink:

Hey, TokyoPlayer would you be willing to e-mail me?(I tried, but you don’t seem to want e-mails) I have a few questions about Mormon culture and whatnot, and you seem to describe your experiences honestly. Thanks

Although in some areas this may be true, the stats do indicate that it is worth the church’s while in the global spectrum, but even if it only helped one more soul than if there were no proselytizing, that perhaps would still be seen as a gain. However, trade-offs are more complicated than just what the stats show. The efforts aren’t perfect, but they’re still worthwhile for the church.

I think in areas where the missionaries work on public relations and morale more often (rather than purely tracting and such) things probably go better with the public (sounds kind of obvious, I know). I mean, when missionaries do service in the community and help people out, I think that helps a lot with people’s impressions. What the members of the church and the church itself does is also important. In many cases, what the missionaries do is up to them, but some missions have required amounts of time that they have to spend on certain things, and the results of that, I think, are often products of the faith that went into it (as well as the faith of previous missionaries in that area—which may have been negative, in some cases). Faith is up to the individuals. Not every missionary is extremely faithful, but some are. Some missionaries cause a lot of damage. However, even when a lot of faith and love goes into it, that doesn’t mean they’ll end up baptizing five thousand people that month or whatever. Sometimes results take generations to sprout, but faith is rewarded (not always in expected ways, either).

It’s not true that being a missionary is a rite of passage. Sure, there’s stigma for not having been a missionary (although this has lessened in recent years), but just because you’ve been a missionary, that doesn’t really guarantee you anything, anymore (maybe it seemed to for a lot of people, once). It’s pretty much selfless service, unless they do it because of family, stigma of not doing it, personal growth or whatever. I don’t feel that I’m any more likely to garner interest from an LDS girl after having served a mission than I would be from any other girl if I weren’t even LDS. In fact, it’d probably be easier to get a non-LDS girlfriend, just because LDS girls have such high standards (and not just in religious regards, but also with education, perceived capabilities and so forth). This is especially true in areas like BYU where everyone and their dog has served a mission and has a couple degrees (it doesn’t really seem like anything special, you know). However, my odds might be even less than that had I not served a mission. So, basically, what I’m saying is there’s just too much competition to call it a rite of passage. I guess in areas where there aren’t as many people who serve missions things might be a little different in the sub-culture.

Could you expand on this; that is, on the reason for these rules? Why half-court but not full-court basketball? :confused: I presume that Mormons at home (that is, not on a mission) aren’t forbidden to go swimming, or attend movies, or read the newspaper, or listen to jazz music. :rolleyes: I understand a mission is serious work, but I presume a missionary has some free time. (Perhaps my latter presumption is incorrect.)

You presume correctly. Missionaries are not allowed to date, swim, play full-court basketball, raise zombie threads on the SDMB, watch movies, listen to music, stay out of bed past 9:30, sleep in past 6:30, read newspapers, or leave their companion’s sight. The finer details vary with each mission president (e.g., no music vs. only inspirational music), but most of the rules are laid out in the pocket-sized Missionary Handbook a.k.a. the White Bible. All of these activities are permitted for Mormons who are not full-time missionaries.

The missionaries get half a day each week to do laundry, shop, and play half-court basketball. They call it Preparation Day, or P-Day.

I was a missionary in 1997-1999, and a Mormon until 2009. The rules may have changed a little since then.

Why are there no female missionaries?

To address the OP (I don’t know if the OP is even here anymore), yes, the mission is very much a rite of passage. And it is pretty effective at increasing the church’s membership and revenue. Door-to-door tracting are not effective, but service projects and discussions with friends of Mormons yield lots of converts in some regions. Only a small fraction of those converts remain active, but it’s enough to keep the church slowly growing. People who get pissed off by missionaries probably weren’t going to convert anyway.

In Tahiti, I had 8 or 10 converts. Maybe one or two of them are still tithe-paying Mormons. More recently, I have converted a few people to ex-mormonism. That takes a lot less effort.

There are. They just don’t wear white shirts and ties, so they’re harder to spot. They only serve for 18 months. And there is less pressure for them to serve. They have to wait until they are 21. According to the late prophet President Gordon B Hinkley, this policy is actually intended to discourage them from becoming missionaries.

The OP is over 6 years old.

Just sayin…

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Oh, sure. A steady diet of brains keeps a fellow going for goodness knows how long.

I disagree on many things with Mormons but i do think their evangelizing certainly worked on me. Not as far as conversion but as far as changing my opinion completely. Of course the only things I’d heard of mormons was negative from people who were not mormons so I suspected that what i thought was probably incorrect.
When they finally came to my door, I really liked them. They were the sweetest, nicest people I have ever met. We may disagree on theology but I sure would rather have them as neighbors or friends than anyone else. They are really really nice and I’m very attracted to and admire very nice people. and to boot, they enlightened me about the fact that they are not racist, they don’t practice polygamy, etc. I like my mormons.

Another exmormon perspective:

Missionary work is very effective for the church… in terms of keeping current members toeing the line. Imagine you hold some unorthodox beliefs. Part of those beliefs include walking around telling anyone who will listen about those beliefs. In fact, you believe your eternal salvation depends on it. So you do. Every single time you repeat your belief system, argue for it, defend it against people who would slam the door in your face shortly after telling you to pound sand, you reinforce your own belief system. Every time a door is slammed in your face, your conviction grows stronger. You must be doing the right thing because you’re encountering so much opposition right? If you don’t think that, then you’ll be told that you have doubts about your convictions because you are being tempted by Satan to stray. Repeat your testimony again, teach another investigator all about Joseph Smith, and be sure to emphasize how you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the church is true, Thomas S. Monson is a real live prophet of god, and Joseph Smith was too. Say that over and over and over and over again until you believe it.

Sending missionaries out is a great way to reinforce the belief system of the believers. And hey, if you manage to convert a few lost souls along the way, well, goody. That just underscores the reinforcement that much more. The exmormon secret about the mormon church is that the missionary program really isn’t about converts. I believe this applies to Jehovah’s Witnesses as well. Not many people convert because some nice people banged on their door and dropped off a pamphlet about how their eternal soul is going to burn for eternity. But a lot of believers feel a lot more strongly about their belief systems after they’ve sacrificed and suffered to do missionary work.

Note: I do not apply this theory to evangelical religions where missionary work actually means missionary work: things like feeding starving people, building schools, teaching English. You know, taking care of people in need. To me, that is missionary work. Pounding on doors trying to convince people that their religious beliefs are bullshit and they should switch over to yours? That’s not missionary work. That’s just brainwashing reinforcement.

Just my opinion.

Are the baptized dead included in the converts?

No. If they did, they’d be claiming church membership in the hundreds of millions.

He can get baptized in two years!

People come and go and come again and probably come and go yet again. Very few actually ask to be officially removed from the church.

It’s really not that different with a typical protestant church, where people tend to choose a denomination based on how well they like a particular pastor. Once he moves on, so do many of the congregation.

As said above: “And want others to experience it, too.”

Why?