As a member of Alcoholics Anonymous, I can positively declare that we alkies are not saints. It says so in our big book.
In fact, when one of our recent conferences (which I attended) was held in New Orleans, the official motto for that conference was “We are not saints”.
I make no pronouncements about the sanctity about those LDs/Mormom/whatever types
Oh, they’re not ignorant of it; they simply believe their historic Zion came after that of the Jews (who are descended from Cain via the Lamanites [a fake race created as a cover story to explain keeping people of color in powerless positions] so they have a greater sinful nature to overcome) b/c don’tcha know Jesus came to the Americas to minister to the Native Americans?
In practice, to be fair, all the years I’ve lived in Utah I’ve never been called a Gentile by an LDS-oriented person, or heard them use the term. They just say non-Mormon.
That is pretty extreme… Though I guess in their defence literally “gentiles” means little more than “the other guys”, it’s a word that everyone knows what it really means. Except a chosen few hahaha.
It’s usually “non-member” in everyday usage. I suppose “non-Mormon” is / was fairly common too. “Gentile” is rather rarely used, and probably almost as often used in the context of “Jew and Gentile” as it is used to refer to non-members as “Gentiles”.
shrug Given some of the derogatory names posted in this thread, if we could get more people to adopt this practice, it would probably be a net improvement.
There’s already The Morridor; Idaho, Utah, Nevada and Arizona, where there are a shitload of practicing Mormons (including the infamous polygamist Short Creek area).
Funnily enough, Salt Lake City itself is comparatively liberal and incredibly LGBT friendly. At the same time the church has its big moneymaker, City Creek Mall in SLC; a report I heard when it opened was that it was expected to earn a billion dollars for the church in its first decade.
Can you imagine the confusion if the Catholic church built The Mall of America? That’s what’s in my head each time I see City Creek.
I was just talking to my boss today about how I try to use LDS as the preferred nomenclature, but it’s kind of useless if nobody knows what it means.
Intriguingly enough, he was asking if I was dating a particular friend. I said no, we were fundamentally incompatible because she was LDS. He tried to puzzle out what that meant (his first try was “Lesbian Dyke Slut”) before I clued him in.
Hmmmmm. I’m not sure I’ve seen more misconceptions at one time!
So:
The Jews are not descended from Cain.
The Lamanites are descendents of Jew as are the Nephites. These both come from the same literal family, with Nephi, the obvious stand-in for Joseph Smith, raising up a race of “white and delightsome” people while the Lamanites were indeed cursed with dark skin because they were evil. And God doesn’t like the seeds of different races mixed.
I grew up in the 60s and 70s with a somewhat different version of Mormonism than what’s more mainstream now. Back then, it was widely accepted and preached by leaders that the Blacks were of the race of Cain, and were cursed.
However, the curse was because in the pre-existance, (where we all were) there was a huge fight, Jesus and us followers prevailed. Satan in his followers were kicked out. Them Blacks were fence sitters and weren’t worthy of getting the priesthood or going to the temple.
I have no idea how widespread this belief is now. The ban on the priesthood / temple attendance was lifted in 1978 and maybe enough time has passed that it’s fading away.
Mark Twain, commenting on the Book Of Mormon, in “Roughing It”:
The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James’s translation of the Scriptures… Whenever he found his speech growing too modern – which was about every sentence or two – he ladled in a few such Scriptural phrases as “exceeding sore,” “and it came to pass,” etc., and made things satisfactory again. “And it came to pass” was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet.