Please show me where anyone in the afterlife has been forced to do, or not to do a damn thing. The deceased (assuming they are in some conscious state) is free to choose to accept or reject. If they are not in a conscious state, I seriously doubt they are giving any of this a second thought.
I anxiously await your citation proving force was used.
You just don’t get that the listing in a, for practical purpose, public database is the issue most people have.
There was zero choice any of the parties had in you making them as members and in polygamist marriages, that was by force.
The existence of that record is proof, they have no way to consent, thus it was forced.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forced
I did not claim the church used “force”
It does make the churches current argument that a marriage is only valid if it is between “one man and one woman” completely specious.
Here is documentation that the church condones AND practices the marriage of multiple women in “gods realm”.
In post 341 I quoted your post where you said… “Forcing poly eternal marriages with ex-wives on a person without their consent is pretty evil also.”
I challenged you, in that post, to show where any force was used.
Then, in post 342 you stated “There was zero choice any of the parties had in you making them as members and in polygamist marriages, that was by force.”
and “The existence of that record is proof, they have no way to consent, thus it was forced.”
Once again, I challenge you to show where the deceased person was forced to do or not do, to accept or not accept, anything.
Please produce a cite where anyone was forced to do anything with respect to these events [second request]
Already answered,
In the only realm we know exists, you have counted them as married and as baptized into your dogma and provided that you have provided that documentation to the world.
I have documented the multiple sealing of dead non-members.
They had zero choice in that, no matter what you claim their abilities are in your mythical afterlife.
They have no rights to appeal that, and even before death they have no rights to ask to not be baptized or married by you.
Even when your church is gracious enough to promise to not baptize and seal people against their wishes the church continues to do so.
I have documented that earlier in the thread.
If the mythical interstate man sheep love association did the same I would also be upset, I do not want to be claimed that I am eternally stuck with ewes.
You are the one who believes in the Mormon afterlife, please show me documentation that a woman has the right to choose to ignore a sealing, I know several divorced Mormon women who would be greatly comforted by this news.
As for the baptism, as I stated before, the freedom to deny them is the same as denying your baptism in life however you “know” the holy ghost then, so if you don’t accept you commit an unpardonable sin, so it may make you feel good but really what it is doing is saying “become Mormon or be condemned to hell”
Anyway, I am done with this question, I have provided many cites over the past several pages, most directly from the church but you have provided none, I feel that is is just becoming hurtful, I do not want to convert you, I just want the church to stick to their word.
Have a great day.
I guess there’s no purpose in asking for the third time, for a cite on how any deceased person was forced into baptism or marriage. You’ve ignored my request, so I doubt a third request will produce such a cite from you.
It appears that you have made a claim that you can’t back up.
Not true.
Ya promise? 
My personal brand of magic allows me to take NoScript with me.
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I resemble that remark. I don’t think $29.95 is too much to pay to prevent Mormons ringing my cloud-house doorbell for eternity. And if you mention this post I’ll also send my magic afterlife anti-doorbell popup Jehovah’s Witnesses NoScript.
Hardly. It’s religion, so they feel no more shame and/or embarrassment than does the Fred Phelps clan. Furthermore, since it’s a religion, you must respect it.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfaithblog/53561480-180/church-lds-holocaust-proxy.html.csp
Yeah, at this point, I’m calling it just an extended middle finger to all non-mormons. They baptized Anne Frank. Again.
Is one of the comments on that page correct that Mormons have baptized Jesus and sealed him to Mary Magdalene? It sounds all urban legendy.
“To seal” can be marriage or create a bond between parents and kids, thus a “forever family” but yes, it has happened a few times.
They really just don’t care to try and prevent it, they just shrug off the bad press when it happens and keep on doing it.
You know that article has some interesting information in it, but it is missing some key information. Supposedly the most recent baptism for Anne Frank was done in the Dominican Republic. It makes me wonder who the submitter was. The church claims The DR had about 2500 members in 1981 and 100,000 in 2011. My experience in the church tells me that where the church has 4000% growth in 30 years it also tends to have members who really don’t understand the religion. And they certainly aren’t getting the latest news from Salt Lake in anything like a timely fashion. Did this submitter ever actually have the policy explained to them? In theory back when I was a member, you could submit names, if you wanted to, after 8 lessons with the missionaries and your own baptism. I can readily visualize an enthusiastic new member hearing about baptism for the dead in Sunday School and showing up at the stake genealogy center a couple of days later. Where a kindly older member would sit down with them and set up an account, but never actually provide a word about policy.
So we have a church spokesman Michael Purdy. He has said that “the submitters’ computer access… has been suspended.” Fair enough, I suppose. But who was the submitter in the first place? And were they ever actually taught the policy? If not doesn’t that fall back on the church?
He also said, “It takes a good deal of deception and manipulation to get an improper submission through the safeguards we have put in place.” That sure wasn’t the case when I was a member and submitting work. I would love to know what safeguards have actually been put in place. Last time I did proxy work, I could have done anything I wanted. Are there really any safeguards in place? If so what are they? Or are they just like the words “top men” from Raiders of the Lost Arc, meaningless and non-existent, used just get an annoying question out of Purdy’s face?
He also said, “While no system is foolproof in preventing the handful of individuals who are determined to falsify submissions, we are committed to taking action against individual abusers. … We will also consider whether other church disciplinary action should be taken." I’m increasingly skeptical of blaming this on supposed bad eggs in the church. After a certain point the leadership has to provide clearer direction and more robust “safeguards.”
Nope. All urban reality (or at least as urban as Salt Lake gets). Link with screenshots of the records.
Basically his record reads as follows:
Name: Jesus Cristian
Gender: Male
Birth: before 1502 Bethlehem, Israel
Christening:
Death: before 1539 Jerusalem, Israel
Burial:
Baptism: Completed - 8 April 2010 - Salt Lake City Utah Temple
Confirmation: Completed - 8 April 2010 - Salt Lake City Utah Temple
Initiatory: Completed - 8 April 2010 - Salt Lake City Utah Temple
Endowment: Completed - 8 April 2010 - Salt Lake City Utah Temple
Sealing to Spouse: Completed - 8 April 2010 - Salt Lake City Utah Temple - Maria Magdelena
Here we can see how easy it is to get around the “safeguards” the system supposedly has. Add a typo, use a vague date and boom you are in like Flynn.
Well, I’ll admit to being officially gobsmacked.