It’s not like many Christians don’t still want to massacre or enslave the unbelievers. It’s not like America’s modern behavior doesn’t often have “war against the heathens” as one of its (typically unspoken, but obvious) motives. The difference between an Islamic dictatorship and America is that the religious fanatics have the power to do what they want; not that Christian fanatics are morally superior to Islamic fanatics.
Where’s the connection between most of Islam and 9-11? By your logic every Christian should be treated as a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer because of the fighting between Protestants and Catholics in Ireland.
Do you know that none of the things you mentioned above were done in the name of Islam? Please provide a cite that links Islam as the motive behind any of these attacks.
By your logic, McVeigh was a Christian terrorist because he was raised as a Christian, actual motives be damned.
Well, Communists are evil. Also, those particular Communists are major trading partners with such evil Islamic nations as Iran and Pakistan.
Now they’ll be literally sitting on the graves of the WTC victims. Shocking.
Actually, wouldn’t a better analogy be “is it appropriate for the Daleks to build a friendship center somewhere in the general vicinity of Canary Wharf”?*
*I would say no, because Daleks roam around killing people while shrieking “Exterminate, Exterminate”.
Take a guess here: What country has the largest Muslim population? You win if you said “Indonesia.” More Muslims live in Nigeria than in Iran. Islam is not in any way synonymous with Arab or Middle Eastern. The vast majority of Muslims live outside of the Middle East, with 62% in Asia (did you know China has a significant Muslim population) and huge numbers of people in Africa.
You can indeed open a church in most vast majority of Muslim dominated countries, and most of these countries have large and thriving Christian communities. Here is an interesting post about churches in Muslim countries. I think the only places that banned churches were Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and (what you are probably thinking of) Saudi Arabia. Islam =/= Saudi Arabia, which at this point is way out of the mainstream. Judging Muslims because of what Saudi Arabia does is kind of like judging Japan by what North Korea does.
Wikipedia is a good source to learn more about the demographics of Islam.
Then those majorities of New Yorkers and Americans are stupid
Yes, there is a line drawn, but there is another line, a wall even, when the the opinion is based on stupidity, fear, irrationality, and a basic misunderstanding of an entire group of people
Newt Gingrich wants to know why churches aren’t allowed in Saudia Arabia? Maybe because a Christian nation (as he probably thinks America is) invaded mostly Arabic and Islamic nations twice in the last 20 years. Shit, I don’t like Islam any more than Christianity but I hope they never allow churches in those Islamic nations, just to piss off the Christians
Idiots taking the poll don’t want the mosque there. You know why? Because they think 19 guys represent an entire religion as much as 1 Catholic pedophile represents another religion. Fuck them, they don’t get to have an opinion if it’s that stupid. The mosque near Ground Zero is fine, and if people get all uppity about it, then maybe someone should make a list of all the crimes Christians around the world did in the last 10 years and make sure to ban churches from the site of those crimes as well
No, because the Daleks did not destroy Canary Wharf.
Now, the Slitheen building something on the site of No. 10 …
Well, that would be a good reason for denying any Daleks a visa to visit Earth.
That would stop them in their tracks.
We’re not calling people ill-informed for finding it offensive, we’re saying that many people find it offensive because they’re ill-informed. If they (and I’ll leave it to you to decide whether you’re included in “they”) continue to assert that the mosque is at Ground Zero, that the people involved have some connection to 9/11, that it’s some sort of thin end of the wedge in a greater plan of Islamic world domination… then yes, they’re ill-informed. Or deliberately shit-stirring.
And since we’ve already established that the further one lives from Manhattan the greater the likelihood of opposition to the mosque is, I think an assumption of ignorance is generally supportable.
I chose these two previous posts to include the map and expand on this argument.
For me, the argument against said Mosque is without basis or fact, but merely on emotional grounds. Anyone familiar with the area knows that when you turn the corner onto W. Broadway, Broadway, or any other side street, you are basically in an entirely different location than the WTC site, based on the cavernous buildings that line each street.
Preventing a mosque, church, synagogue, etc from opening outside the boundaries of the WTC site cannot be justified on the basis of any logical argument. That this has become political ammunition helps demonstrate the ridiculousness of the issue.
If any person or group wants to prevent such a building from being erected, they should propose legislation through the system which allows such rules and regulations from being made into law.
I’m pretty sure that the name Slitheen is on the no-fly list.
Assuming this is true, why do you want to emulate them?
Incidentally, people preach the word of God all over the Middle East. Everywhere you go. They even have public calls to prayer in some places.
He hates Christians too – remember the thread about him calling up the front desk at the hotel because he found “hate literature” (aka a Gideon Bible) in his hotel room?
This coming from a citizen of a country that has military base in almost every country in the world and spends on military as much as next ten countries combined. And then you are offended if you are called ignorant.
Actually, IIRC, Valteron is Canadian.
(Sorry, Canadians.)
I’m sad to report that the stupid is winning. My parents, who are super-liberal though uncomfortable about Islam were all outraged at Obama speaking for the mosque. They were surprised when I told them that the mosque was not at ground zero- they were under the impression that it was directly facing ground zero. Once they learned the truth, they reevaluated their position. They were simply sucked in by all the discussion of “the ground zero mosque.”
On a blog where I am discussing this, I asked what an acceptable distance from Ground Zero would be and someone said “how about a mile?” Does anyone happen to know how many mosques are already located within a mile of the WTC spot?
One of my aunts is a teabag dupe. She had the bad taste to start up about the “Ground Zero Mosque” (and how Obama doesn’t care because he’s a Muslim, too) this past weekend when the family was gathered in the ICU waiting room waiting on news about my mom. I really wasn’t in the mood to try to correct her right then so I walked out to go back to see mom. (She’s my aunt by marriage…I claim no shared DNA)
Politicians get what they want by lying. Film at 11.
Exactly. And, Valteron, in case you’ve missed it (which you certainly have–time after time after time), that is wisdom.