The one on Warren Street is probably the only one if it qualifies as a mosque. (But if we’re counting the Park Place building as a mosque than that one would also count.) There’s an Islamic center maybe two miles away on the Lower East Side. There are other mosques and Islamic centers in midtown, but it looks like there are more of them in Brooklyn and Queens. I guess that makes sense given the immigration history of New York.
Any chance of you dropping this canard in the near future?
There’s quite a lot of ignorance being spread in this thread.
Actually it is like many Christians don’t still want to massacre or enslave the unbelievers.
According to this week’s New Yorker, the majority of residents of New York do not find it offensive and want the construction to go forward. In Manhattan, 75% of the population is in favor of it. And when the Manhattan Board of Supervisors voted on it, 29 of 30 were in favor. So your claim about polling is inaccurate. There may have been two polls with conflicting results, but even so you shouldn’t be claiming that the majority of New Yorkers agree with you on this issue.
The United States has many military bases in places where they don’t belong, but it’s not true to say we have a base in “almost every country in the world”.
Rush Limbaugh moment - heard on the radio while scooting out for lunch today:
Debris from when the second plane hit the towers landed on the Park51 building, therefore it ***is ***at Ground Zero.
I’m not sure what that proves, but there you have it.
Well, if you think about it, the 9/11 attacks encompassed not only lower Manhattan, but Washington, D.C. too. So really, everything from Soho to the Mall is Ground Zero. Are there any mosques in Maryland or eastern Pennsylvania? They must be destroyed!
Or how the term “ethnic cleansing” made it into mainstream speech?
Total of 193 countries in UN.
For obvious reasons exclude 47 countries in Africa and you get 146.
Dismiss further at least 60 small countries (under one million of inhabitants) you get about 84 significant countries.
63 out of 84 is …well, best record in history and with notable exceptions such as Russia, Iran and South Korea we can agree that it’s pretty much, colloquially speaking, most of the countries in the world.
I don’t want to be uptight about this, but why would you summarily dismiss all of Africa? Sure, few African countries are really global players, but for the love of God they are still countries. Africa gets passed over, left behind, stereotyped and ignored enough as it is. I don’t think it’s a good idea to continue that! Sure, for you Africa may not be a big deal, but the 1 billion people who live there probably don’t appreciate you just wiping them off the planet like that.
Perhaps you should phrase things “every major country on Earth” or “every major economic power on Earth.”
This is ridiculous. Counting countries that the UN doesn’t, there are just over 200 countries on Earth. 63/200 ≈ 30%. 30% is not “most”. Full stop.
ETA: where did you get the “63” from?
EATA: if you look at a map, it’s even farther from “most”.
Tossing out more than 100 countries and all of Africa is not “speaking colloquially,” it’s cherry picking. And not in a subtle way, either.
That map suggests there are lots of U.S. troops in Canada.
But the U.S. has no base in Canada. There may be troops here, but I imagine they’d be on exchange programs and postings at NORAD and stuff like that.
You do realize that the question “how far away is far enough?” is only prompted by the repeated idiotic rant that it is “too close,” right?
As far as I am concerned, the proposed building could be on Liberty St. at the corner of Washington St., (which is as close as one can get to the location of WTC 2 without actually entering the site), and it would be quite appropriate. On the other hand, a storefront mosque that could only provide seating for a dozen people, led by a Wahabbist imam, would be inappropriate anywhere in Manhattan. My criticism of the opponents to the current plan is based on their mouth-foaming hatred of all things Muslim, with no regard for the differences among the various Muslim sects, combined with their blatant and willful ignorance, xenophobia, and dishonesty.
Now, I realize that not everyone would be as accepting as I am regarding a group that has actually been in the neighborhood for decades and who have spent their entire time, there, promoting better understanding; some people just need to hate that which they choose to misunderstand. However, when people make up lies about it being “at” the WTC site–when the two sites will not even be visible to each other–then I am going to point out that such a claim is a lie and I will ask how far away it needs to be. I will not ask why they are so worked up about the matter, because I have already seen their responses–responses that are rooted in willful ignorance and xenophobia.
I found this CNN video hilarious… Video News - CNN
Don Lemon simply undresses Tim Brown, a retired NY firefighter and WTC survivor. By the end, he’s babbling.
For the record, I can’t even believe that this is a debate. It’s discussions like these that make me think I’m insane. If 79% of all Americans vote to effectively demote in class one religion versus others, we’re surely doomed. If the Church of Devil Worshippers and Child Molestors (must be both to join) chose to open up a WTC Branch, the story might have made it into the New York Times Metro section. In my opinion, religions should all be demoted. But I wouldn’t vote that way…simply out of respect for the purpose of this country’s existence.
I suspect this mosque would feature good musicians.
Did you watch the same video I did? No one took anyone apart.
Love Rhombus: When I click on that link, I get a video about flooding in Pakistan.
Have you read the Old Testament and its approval of rape and genocide assisted land grabs?
Certainly not my impression from watching the video.
Whilst I don’t agree with the fireman I think he presented his case in a calm and dignified manner and without being unnecessarily offensive to anyone.
I think people so directly involved with such a tragedy should be cut a little slack if their opinions are somewhat more concentrated than others.
Why do we care if a building with a mosque in it is built at ground 2? It is not at ground zero. It is a couple blocks away in what was a Burlington Coat Factory. I never felt Burlington was shrine like. If you don’t want the community center built ,then try to get the strip joint leveled. At least be consistent.
This is an attack on the Muslim religion and the world will see it that way. It is shameful and the opportunistic right wingers manufactured outrage for political points.
The difference would be in the application. The WTC is example of that application.
The Imam associated with this particular mosque has made statements that call into question his views on the events of 9/11. The location of the Mosque is in a commercial district away from residential locations. It is financially beyond the capacity of his group. It’s hard not to view it as a deliberate attempt to plant a flag of victory over the destruction of the WTC.
I don’t see how this project will work toward the stated goal of building cultural bridges. It has failed before the first nail is driven. If it’s built it will become a permanent focal point for Muslims who approved of the attack as well as those focused on the reality of Islamic terrorism.