Well, only in translation…
Your big problem is we are not talikg about the bible, we are talking about Islam and how it is played out TODAY.
Here you want this crap in the USA, bring muslims in from muslim cultures hidding under the bannor of religion and see what you get.
2010.08.21 (Paktika, Afghanistan) - Eight Afghans are murdered by Taliban bombers in two attacks.
2010.08.21 (Helmand, Afghanistan) - Six Afghan cops are bound and executed by religious hardliners.
2010.08.21 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Three cops are taken down by Islamic terrorists in separate attacks.
2010.08.21 (Baghlia, Pakistan) - Six members of a peace committee are blow to bits by Mujahid bombers.
2010.08.20 (Yala, Thailand) - A 63-year-old civilian is shot to death by Muslim terrorists.
And take a good look at the exstened list found here:
Don
Muslim apologists play the same game (which is generally a good thing).
I literally know hundreds of Muslims. Every one of them is better than murdering Christians.
Quite so. And since we’re not about to get rid of all the Christian houses of worship, we’ll just have to put up with everyone elses’ too. It’s the American way.
That’s a list of “people killed by Muslims today”, without context or verification. Here are some people killed by Christians today.
So fucking what?
Haaa, so the Bible gets the benefit of context, i.e. “that shit was written long ago, man, they did things differently back then”.
The Koran, however, doesn’t. Because it’s evil and foreign and stuff. Gotcha.
Dude, it’s not MY policy; I’m not a moderator here, just another poster. I was just trying to explain the issue, for your benefit, since you clearly seem to misunderstand why you cannot post entire articles. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears, that’s your problem.
It really isn’t that difficult, but if you are still not clear where the limits are you can ask for clarification in “About This Message Board”.
Nonsense, and reference to what? You have given no clear idea what you think the relevance of your link is to the discussion. At any time, you could paraphrase the content you wish to discuss. Without that mininmal effort, why should anyone pay any attention to your link at all?
I haven’t demanded proof of anything. Maybe you have me confused with someone else.
Look you are doing everything you can to diver the conversation away from Islam and Muslims— perhaps you should as you much Islamic filth to hide.
John 15:6: If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Accordingly those that commit murders and sins against their fellow human will be cast out and cut off. No less than why we separate killers from society by the practice of our criminal justice system.
There are NO such scriptures in the Koran, or negating scriptures of all the filth in the Koran. If I am wrong then show it, good luck to you.
I am only accommodating your diversion—you can look up the word love in the bible here and read it in context. You may not like it but USA tort law is based on the bible NT. Here use your tools and learn something.
This is not the thread to teach a class on comparative religions. So why are you bringing up your diversions?
Don
Here’s a start : every surat of the Koran starts by describing Allah as “most Loving, and most compassionate”. Muhammad citing God (though he, peace be upon him, didn’t provide a link ;)) : “My mercy prevails over my wrath.”
ETA : one more for the road : "Those who spend (in Allah’s Cause) in prosperity and in adversity , who repress anger , and who pardon men; verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers). "
Your reference is worthless and not even relevant.
This site gives a good explanation on how to tell when a crime is religious motivated, and NOT crimes out money and lust.
This is where your list fails as these are common traffic crimes and such the like with NO direct religious connections. Accordingly your argument fails the test.
Don
Don, old man, you’ve replied to my one post twice within 30 minutes. Are you feeling okay?
You’re the one who started judging people by the twaddle found in holy books. If you start cherry-picking the Qur’an for your strawmen, then you should expect examples from other religious books.
You may want to reconsider that class in comparative religion - you may find it enlightening.
Oh, and 6:108: Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest they out of spite revile Allah in their ignorance.
taken from your site:
The Koran is so confident of its divinely inspired language that it challenges those who question the Koran’s authenticity to bring all the masters of literature together to produce even one chapter that achieves the same level of linguistic eloquence as the Koran (10:37–38; 17:88).
It is no wonder Islam is the most evil and savage religion on the face of the earth as the Koran is to be taken literal by your reference.
So when the Koran says:
18:59 And (all) those townships! We destroyed them when they did wrong, and We appointed a fixed time for their destruction…
This is what Muslims are commanded to do and that is to kill all non-believers.
What has changed about Islam? Nothing from 1400 years ago, as in Pakistan (and other Islamic countries) it is death sentence to reconvert from Islam.
Just how did Islam get out of Saudi Arabia anyways— you want to deny common history then do so.
But as I said I’m so happy that you are a god to know a good muslim from a bad one. I guess you were wrong about Hasan and his Ft. Hood murders, he did exactly what the Koran commanded and is now sucking up 72 virgins as his reward for murdering the innocent.
Don
"Those who spend (in Allah’s Cause) in prosperity and in adversity , who repress anger , and who pardon men; verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers). "
And what is the cause of Allah but to totally destroy all non-believers by head chopping and finger removal, as the koran says to do.
Your problem is context in the Koran, and I would suppose that over 630 verses of doom to non-believers set the context.
That is the problem with Islam and the Koran, there is so much filth not even the Mullahs can sort it out.
people in the west should read the Koran and know it well, then 9/11 would not be such a mystery as saying “how could Muslims do that!” well hell it is all over the Koran as I posted.
Not to mention that Allah, by your reference, found it merciful for men to beat their wife as in Q 4:34.
Don
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Uh, I can not take anyone seriously when they are denying that in the middle ages and up to today most Muslim commanders and rulers forgot about that “commandment” and instead of killing all infidels they did tax them.
Not only does Islam enjoy its filthy context in the Koran, it is enjoys the filth that is lived out every day according to Islamic Sharia law where wife beating is permitted if not encouraged Q 4:34.
Take a good look at the Muslim countries and their culture where selling your daughter for marriage at age 9-12 is common, and you can get even a higher price if you have her genitals chopped out as Mohammad instructed.
This is what the Mosque at ground zero promotes; it is a barbarous religion of the dark ages that promotes jihad terrorist as its foundation beliefs.
For crying out loud, Muslims worship Mohammad that rapped Aisha at age 9, and you think any good can come that? We have plenty of crazies to stuff into prison without a religion that promotes child rape.
Don
:dubious:
Do you have a cite for Mohammad instructing that or we have to add this as another example of how unreliable you are?
Well, the Koran is clear the first choice is to kill all non-believers if the they are Jews, Christians, or atheist, but there is an alternative and that is tax the non-believers to death as Mohammad instructed, pay the tax, convert or die, So much for Koran and all its niceties. Allah is so merciful, he commanded a quick death by head chopping and finger removal if you are too poor to pay the tax.
Here you read it;
Don
Normally I would have my doubts about the credentials of someone named Vexen Crabtree, however, I note that she or he also has companion pages about Christianity. I think he or she may be right on the money.
Here, you read it: The God of the Christian Bible is Evil.
By the way, Don, you do realize that you are linking to a self-described Satanist, right? Or do you even read your links?
Oh, heck, here, you read it:
Yes here:
and here:
http://www.islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=540&catid=192&Itemid=68
Also the Koran says that Muslims should work hard at deceiving the non-believers, and even a flat right out lie is a good thing. So tell your Imam, or Mullah, to stuff it up his ass as he should know what the Islamic Hadith says about cutting out a woman’s genitals—it is OK and obligated, and a common practice in all Islamic countries.
Muslims, the filthy animals from the dark ages, nothing but savages.
Don
Look, you can call me what ever you want—I do not give a shit. But the topic is Islam not Christians. If you want to say Muslims are the same as the worst low down so called Christian that ever walked on this earth that is Ok by me.
If you are trying to gain points for Islam and muslims you are not doing a very good job of it.
Personally I’m an atheist and I do not believe in god or gods. If you believe in a peaceful loving god backed up with holy books, and works, that is fine— just get out of my face and I will be happy.
But do not come to me and try to win points for Muslims and Islam when their holy books are filled with trash and evils, and backed up with criminal acts to the gills in real life for the last 1400 years to this date.
Should we have Islamic mosque in NYC—hell NO, not even one in the USA. Muslims are crazy liars to the bone and have NO sense of right or wrong and their works prove it every day.
Don
The Koran is made up of, roughly, 6000+ verses. I wonder what the fuck all that padding is for, if all Islam is really all about those verses of doom to unbelievers. And, again, it’s not like the Christian Bible comes up short in the fire and brimstone department, which has already been pointed to you. And you ignored.
I agree. Perhaps you should get a head start and read the whole thing yourself, instead of the cherry picked quotes you get from rabid hate sites.
Do you really want to go there ? Really ? I’ll give you a minute to reconsider that particular tac.
Do you really expect not to get challenged on the profound misogyny found in Christianity, both in the book and behaviours across the ages ? The equality of sexes we enjoy now was conquered *against *your religion, certainly not thanks to it.
I think the thing that drives me the most bonkers about you and your ilk (on both side of the religious divide) is that you fuckers worship the same God. Who says the exact same things in both books :
- Worship me
- Tell those who don’t worship me to worship me
- Don’t be a dick
That’s it. That’s the whole of the message, over and over again. It’s really a shame people get so engrossed in rule n°2, to the point of becoming completely oblivious to rule n°3…