Your own “reasoning” pretty much amounts to fifth grade insults against you.
Ah yes, and all the Canadians who are involved in this scheme will stay quiet about what they’re doing. The US has no idea what Canadian factories are actually producing. And we certainly can’t forensically trace the origin of the building materials in the product. (Just like we can’t trace the origin of dust particles and pollution, either… oh wait, yes we can!) Worse yet, if you accept Black Knight’s crippled logic you must conclude that Canadian wages make it impossible to produce and sell Zoobles at the prices you’re talking about. You’d have to be breaking your own minimum wage laws. Your own people would know you’re full of shit and it’d be all over the blogs.
Impossible? That word does not mean what you think it does. It may even be possible for college students to do their thesis on exactly how to detect Made-in-China products.
Please, feel free to continue on with your fantasy. I’ve got my respirator at the ready to deal with the laughing fits you’re capable of generating with your nonsense.
Yes, because American productivity doesn’t count as a counterweight against wages in your universe.
By the time we start coming there for jobs your love of offshoring will have dragged you down, too. Canada is not known for producing jobs that replace those lost by offshoring. This mess is going to catch up with you, too.
Our dollar may collapse first because of offshoring but you’ll be next.
Does it bother you that not a single economist agrees with you? That people that know what they’re talking about are completely against you? That you’re the only one in this thread with your opinions?
What exactly do you think is going to happen? What crime would be committed in Canada for someone to go to the cops about? Who’s going to blog about it? Who cares what’s going on over in Industrial Park West as long as they’re employing people? None of the people in the supply chain give a hoot, and for that matter it’d be hard for the people WORKING for the companies involved to know the traceability of every input into their stuff, since that would require going back to where their suppliers got their stuff, and where those supplier got their stuff, and so on. I can tell you firsthand that that sort of thing absolutely does not happen in 99% of companies; the only example I can think of offhand where traceability goes back more than two steps is in steel construction fabrication, which isn’t offshored anyway. And that traceability only goes back the mill; the users of the steel don’t know where the ore came from.
(ETA: Diamond retailing is sometimes traceable to source.)
If you don’t know anything about this sort of thing, don’t pretend you do. I work with companies that import and export stuff all the time; what you are proposing is not feasible. You cannot have free trade with Canada and then control the content of everything imported from Canada; it is logistically impossible.
You’ve made up your mind and won’t be swayed by either evidence or experience. Fair enough, it’s your country, wreck it if you want.
So you’re going to “Forensically trace” the source of all the material in every product? Dude, this isn’t CSI; you can’t magically come up with the source of the plastic in a toy in 44 minutes. Do you have any idea how much stuff is imported into the USA from Canada, and how much MORE there would be if China was cut off? There aren’t enough labs on the entire planet to do even an appropriate sampling. The U.S. government could never, ever afford something like that. And you haven’t even yet defined what constitutes “Canadian made.”
All I have to do is import them and then make some really simple modification to them and repackage them. Bam, they’re Canadian. I made them; one of my inputs was Chinese, but some of your inputs will always be foreign. Anything made of plastic has oil in it, after all.
And where are you going to get coffee, chocolate, and oil? I really would like an answer to that.
They won’t go to the cops you idiot. They’ll talk among themselves and online and give themselves away - particularly because there’ll be no cops going after them.
A scheme of the magnitude that you’re blabbing about would be too lucrative to keep a secret. There’ll be infomercials. Seminars. It’ll get bragged about all over the place.
Really… are you that dumb?
What the fuck do you think this is anyway… importing drugs or something?
Hell, all we gotta do in retaliation is peg the US dollar to yours. Then let’s see you sell anything here at a reasonable price.
So what? How would this stop the company in question from exporting stuff? No rule is being broken; it’s all Canadian-owned stuff, after all. There’s no enforcement agency to do anything about it. As it stands, no enforcement agency involved in commercial regulation is trolling message boards looking for employee chatter about such mundane stuff. There’s no mechanism in place to stop any of this. It happens NOW, around some products, and there’s little to no effective enforcement. It’s not even a secret scheme; you could do it all legally, since, of course, you have not defined “Canadian-made,” and there’s no practical definition you will ever come up with that doesn’t have a hundred loopholes. Go ahead, try.
Now then; where is the USA going to get coffee, chocolate, and oil, under your proposal?
Most of my fellow Americans believe in God as well. Most of them believe all sorts of bullshit that I disagree with. That said, you have yet to produce a cite backing up your assertion that most of the country sees things as you do. Hell, you’ve yet to produce a cite that demonstrates any of the horseshit you are constantly spewing. For that matter, I’m unconvinced you have even understood most of the cites you’ve bothered linking too. You are an idiot who pretty obviously doesn’t have clue one what you are talking about, and your sole redeeming quality is the entertainment value of watching you be so snotty and condescending while patting yourself on the back for victory as you get your ass handed to you repeatedly. The best part is that you are too stupid to realize how idiotic you are coming off in these little discussions.
BTW, I love how you side stepped the answer in this post. So, most experts think you are an idiot, but because you claim most Americans disagree this makes you right? Too funny.
ah HA that’s an appeal to authority, or at least** Le Jacquelope** will try to suggest it is, since he/she/it still hasn’t quite grasped what a logical fallacy is. Although, he now knows how to accuse someone else of it, so it’s just as likely he thinks that’s a tu toque fallacy, he seems to be applying them at random.
So let’s see. You’ve spent multiple pages in multiple threads bitching about creative destruction and offshoring. The bulk of which eliminated low wage jobs (as admitted by you, remember those that lost their job are too poor pay for a boat ride to Australia). But now you’re bitching about how bad a minimum wage job is.
What exactly is it you think will happen when you bring all those ipod factories back to the US? Or is this the magic part where everyone’s wages go up because Americans are so productive and will magically spend more.
See, that’s how you destroy someone on an internet message board. You let them ramble, and ramble, and ramble. Then eventually you can line up three things they said and show how fucking utterly inconsistent and ridiculous the whole thing is.
You can now try to go back and do that to me, or XT or John Mace, but what you’ll find is that we start with a logical premise, and build on that. Concepts that are interconnected. Sort of like using the same gravitational constant through the entire equation. I look forward to you repeating back to me what I just said to you, case in point:
It was way funnier when I said it the first time. Perhaps next time you’ll have an original thought.
Oh, and might I suggest you start putting away enough for three months living expenses?
The most hilarious part of your idiocy is that you think you’re handing me my ass. You’ve lost every argument you’ve had with me. So badly in fact that I’ve spent more time choking on your ashes than debating you. Then after being humiliated about 200 times by me, your buds come in here trying to play the “no one agrees with you on the SDMB” card and then you retreat to pretzel logic and spin control when I remind you that for all your efforts and arguments you’ve only managed to alienate the public.
You’re not only getting your ass kicked by me but you’re a dying breed to boot. I’ll outlive you. America will outlive you. You can spend the rest of your life shouting your bullshit but in the end you’ll be relegated to a museum. You’ll be those people we refer to as the assholes who tried to wreck this country. You’ll be remembered as part of the dark ages of the United States - right along with your predecessors who brought us the first Gilded Age.
As much as I taunt you and goad you into making a fool of yourself, the reality is all I have to do is wait your kind out.
But if I can convince you to get your “experts” on TV to say the following:
“We need unemployment, it’s the only way for growth. Without unemployment a business can’t start because there is no one to be employed.”
“I’ve been hiring lately and I love high unemployment. It means I get multiple applicants, good applicants.”
“When unemployment was low in 2006 job applicants were crap, they were the dregs of society, the leftovers and unemployables no one else wanted.”
If you had even half a brain you’d realize that I say that because we USED to have high paying middle class jobs. These have been replaced by low paying service jobs.
We’d still have those high paying middle class jobs if it weren’t for offshoring.
It’s not magic you idiot - it’s numbers and facts. Documented facts which you tried to deny.
No, the way you destroy someone is to convince them to say:
“We need unemployment, it’s the only way for growth. Without unemployment a business can’t start because there is no one to be employed.”
“I’ve been hiring lately and I love high unemployment. It means I get multiple applicants, good applicants.”
“When unemployment was low in 2006 job applicants were crap, they were the dregs of society, the leftovers and unemployables no one else wanted.”
But you’re too much of a babbling nutjob to realize how crazy you sound when you write shit like that.
Uh, no you don’t. You babble like a kindergartener whose legos keep getting taken away from them.
You lack the imagination to come up with anything funny. Except maybe your life story.
Perhaps you’ll have a thought at all.
You should file a malpractice suit against whoever gave you that brain transplant. It appears your body rejected it.
The U.S. can very easily identify which products you’re importing from China to sell here and block it at the border. You vastly underestimate America’s capabilities. Plus you vastly underestimate human beings’ willingness to blab about what they’re doing to others for bragging rights alone, much less to get investors and other things that’ll leave a monstrous international paper trail.
Not until people start realizing that you’re trying to export Chinese imports to us after we’ve put a tariff on China. You must think Canada is some secret agent breeding ground or something. Secret Canadian Man? :rolleyes:
If you import the shit from China it ain’t Canadian-made. Loophole that.
The more important question is where are the producers of coffee, chocolate and oil going to get their customers?
Take the American market out of their equation and everyone goes bust. Look what happened when the demand for oil slipped in the U.S. in 2008; hell, we could switch to alternative fuels if the Saudis would shut the fuck up and stop meta-lobbying the U.S. through their holdings in Faux News. If they want to embargo us we’d just switch to oil shale for plastics.
The rising cost of oil, in fact, is going to make coffee and chocolate much more expensive than it ever was, very soon.
Going by that twisted kindergarten babble you call logic, Toyota shouldn’t be producing cars in the U.S., either. Yet for some reason they employ thousands of Americans to produce cars right here.
By that tortured mess you call logic, they should be able to save 80% of their labor costs by going overseas.
But then again by your reasoning the higher unemployment is the better your pick of applicants are.
cite that you have ever engaged in debate, with me or anyone. Perhaps you were thinking of a different word. Come to think of it, perhaps tariff wasn’t the word you were looking for either. And unemployment, that means something else too. Oddly enough, you have internet access, yet lack the ability to look up the meaning of a word you so frequently use.
Why don’t you cite any instance in which you’ve engaged in debate… or anything else besides banging your head against the keyboard like a 2 year old.
Meanwhile why don’t you go tell the fine people of the world
“We need unemployment, it’s the only way for growth. Without unemployment a business can’t start because there is no one to be employed.”
“I’ve been hiring lately and I love high unemployment. It means I get multiple applicants, good applicants.”
“When unemployment was low in 2006 job applicants were crap, they were the dregs of society, the leftovers and unemployables no one else wanted.”
Oh yeah, I forgot… you think you’re smarter than most people. Even though you’ve amassed mountains of proof here that the average 2 year old could outsmart you.
The world’s changing, Jac. Adapt to the new conditions or go off and sulk in the corner like a big pussy, it’s all good or at least equally indifferent to those of us with no incentive to give the slightest fuck what you do.
That’s an interesting question, but you’re dodging a critical question which I’d like you to answer, please; under your plan, where will the United States get coffee, chocolate, and oil?
Most of my fellow Americans believe in God as well. Most of them believe all sorts of bullshit that I disagree with. That said, you have yet to produce a cite backing up your assertion that most of the country sees things as you do. Hell, you’ve yet to produce a cite that demonstrates any of the horseshit you are constantly spewing. For that matter, I’m unconvinced you have even understood most of the cites you’ve bothered linking too. You are an idiot who pretty obviously doesn’t have clue one what you are talking about, and your sole redeeming quality is the entertainment value of watching you be so snotty and condescending while patting yourself on the back for victory as you get your ass handed to you repeatedly. The best part is that you are too stupid to realize how idiotic you are coming off in these little discussions.