Most pilot-unfriendly aircraft (cool or not)

Prompted by the F-104 being the first in the ‘Coolest fighter’ thread. It seems to me that some military aircraft go into service with shall we say idiosyncratic flight characteristics that would have a civilian plane grounded. Initial versions of many planes seem to be underpowered, under-armed, or have sub-par avionics. Or sometimes have design features that seemed to set out to deliberately kill the crew (ejector seats that eject downwards come to mind).

Lots of pilots here, care to share any personal knowledge?

Interesting question. You are correct in surmising that first run military aircraft are probably most likely to have undesirable characteristics. It’s also true of old aircraft. All aircraft are compromises though, and any individual aircraft will have various things it’s not good at, normally things it’s not designed for.

Apart from a couple of vintage training aircraft, I don’t have any experience with military planes. There are a few that stand out as having particularly annoying traits. The thing is they also have some great traits and also happen to be a lot of fun.

In my experience the least pilot friendly aircraft I’ve flown has been the Tiger Moth. The version I flew had no brakes, a tail skid instead of a tail wheel, and no electrics. Starting it by yourself involved setting chocks by the wheels, turning the fuel on, setting the throttle open, opening the cowling and pumping a little button to prime the carb. Then you’d pull the prop through several revolutions by hand to get some fuel into the cylinders. Then you’d set the throttle to idle, turn the magneto switches on and start swinging the prop again to start it.

Sometimes the “impulse” magneto which provides the spark for starting would be jammed and you wouldn’t hear any “click” when trying to start it. If this happened you’d open the cowling again, locate the magneto and give it a good solid WACK with a heavy metal object. Hopefully that would free up the mag and you’d be able to get it started.

Once started you could remove the chocks, hop in the open cockpit, and get strapped in. Visibility out the front is very poor and you’d leave the cockpit side door open and lean your head out into the wind to try and see ahead.

Taxying was always interesting. With no brakes and just a skid at the tail the steering on the ground was not very positive. On grass and with a bit of a headwind you could normally get it pointed in the right direction with out too many problems, but if you found yourself on tarmac, with a tailwind, and even worse, on a downhill slope, you could put full rudder in to try and turn but the aeroplane would just keep going straight ahead. You always had to allow enough room in front to be able to roll to a stop at idle power. Sometimes the only way to get turned if you wanted to go around some obstacle was to add power to try and get some slipstream over the rudder. But sometimes that just left you going faster toward whatever you’re trying to avoid! Or you might find you can get it turned to the right but you want to go left so you have to go the long way around. Young children watching would wonder allowed if the pilot knew what he was doing.

You’d do a quick power check on the take-off roll and you had to remember the engine goes the opposite way from American aeroplanes so you needed to be ready to apply LEFT rudder rather than RIGHT to keep it straight.

Once airborne, if there’s any turbulence it just wasn’t a particularly enjoyable experience. The ailerons are very ineffective for reasons I won’t go into, so you’d stir the stick around trying to keep it flying roughly straight and level and you’d wonder if the stick was actually connected to anything. There is no rudder trim so you’d constantly be holding some rudder in. The cockpit’s open so if it’s a cold day then you’d get a very cold face, and if it’s raining you’d get wet.

Sounds horrible doesn’t it?

But on a nice day it was just great fun. All that crap about feeling the wind in your hair, it’s all true. There’s nothing quite like flying along in an open cockpit biplane on a nice day, cruising past hikers in the mountains and giving them a wave and a waggle of the wings. Landing in a paddock by a river and having a break.

On a bad day it was an absolute pain in the arse, but on a good day it was all worth it. Here’s me having a good day.

I’ve often heard that the Harrier in its various incarnations liked to crash when the thrust nozzles were pointing down, but I suppose that’s just a necessary consequence of the breed.

Does the F-35 have the same problems?

I’m sure RAF types will know the phrase, “The Harrier’s natural environment is underwater.” :smiley:

But I remember being told that American pilots did have this problem with Harriers, and many pilots were ejecting where British pilots stayed and recovered the aircraft. It was simply a lack of training. I’m sorry but I don’t remember more.

I’m not a pilot, but I’ve read that the Gee Bee Racer was very difficult to fly, resulting in many fatalities.

The U2 at altitude has a very thin envelope of flight. Cruise and stall speeds are within 5 knots.

For civilian planes it would be something like a Gee Bee which is an engine with flaps and rudder attached.

I remember it as being even worse than that, up at spying altitude there was something like a 20 knot difference between the stall speed and the never exceed speed. Unless you’re very vigilant you’re either falling out of the sky or breaking bits off the airplane.

That plane looks like it came out of Wacky Races (or was that Catch that Pidgeon?) what would persuade a sane person to fly it?
As for the F-104, in The Right Stuff Tom Wolfe wrote something like: “If the engine stopped it had the aerodynamics of a set of car keys”.

Dastardly And Muttley In Their Flying Machines is the show you’re thinking of (yes, the “catch the pigeon!” one).

Most pilot-unfriendly? Probably the Predator. :smiley:

I have flown (under instruction) a few vintage fighter jets. The MiG-15 was a bit of a handfull. The Fouga Jet was nice to fly, but had some nasty ergonomics as far as starting the engines.

The MiG was great once you hit a reasonable speed, which was something over 220 knots. Below that, and especially at landing speeds, you had to be very careful with it. No stall warning device in the cockpit, no hydraulics on the controls. Just a very long control stick to give you mechanical advantage.

If you look in the cockpit of many MiG-15s, you’ll see a white stripe painted down the middle of the instrument panel. That’s the spin recovery procedure. If it gets in a spin, you put the stick on the line. If the plane doesn’t come out in a couple of turns, you eject.

The one I flew had a “first generation ejection seat”. That very phrase scared me. Unlike the modern rocket seats that deploy the chute automatically, this was simply a few shotgun shells clustered under the seat. To eject, you pulled a safety pin, then moved the handle backwards to get rid of the canopy. Then you put your feet in the stirrups (which I could just barely do), sit up straight, chin tucked in, and push the handle forward to eject yourself at something like 16-20 g. Then, assuming you were still conscious, you unstrap (the seatbelts, not the chute!), push the seat away, grab the d-ring to deploy the chute, then learn to skydive in one hell of a hurry. Not a good feeling to sit on top of that system.

The Fouga was great once you had the engines started. But that start procedure…

It was 6 or 7 steps, IIRC. And if you did things in the wrong order, you could dump fuel on the tarmac and ignite it! Since there are two engines, you get to do this twice. I expected the instructor to perform the engine starts, and was surprised when he had me do it. I remember him very carefully supervising my movements - “Now, move the fuel lever forward, but DON’T let go of the igniter button while you move it!”

By contrast, in an L-39 you simply push two buttons and the engine starts itself.

Is that better or worse than the Me-163, powered by a rocket with fuel and oxidizer that ignited on contact? Just gassing it up could get you cooked.

The F-104, mentioned in the OP, was an improvement on what was learned with the X-3 Stiletto. Just the description of “inertia coupling” ought to be enough to scare any pilot.

From here:

They’re lucky that plane didn’t kill someone.

After reading this, I won’t be so growly this evening when my wife asks how my day went. Man, that was one hell of a pilot.

Joe Walker was killed in an F-104.

They names a jr. high school after him where I went to high school.
EDIT: Here’s a picture of Walker’s F-104 in flames after the crash.

The mig-15 had a stall warning device. It was the seat belt.

That whole flight was a bad idea. There’s a lot more to blame than just the airplane.

I actually fly quite a few General Aviation planes with no stall warning system. That’s not a problem, but since it’s got swept wings, a MiG stalls at the wingtips first. Add some yaw, and you have yourself a spin.

The instructor wouldn’t even let me stall it straight ahead. And in slow flight (around 130 knots) a full throw of the aileron would produce only a slight nod to the side.

Great airplane when flown well. But if you mishandle it…

This is what I heard – almost 20 years after the fact, and 20-odd years ago. So I don’t remember the specifics of the opinion.

Just a passing comment from a non-pilot:
The F4U was notorious for eating young pilots on take off and landing. Also the B-26 Marauder, on takeoff.

As far as commercial aircraft are concerned, I’ve heard pilots comment that the 727 was a little quirky when it came to landings. One veteran said that no matter how many times he flew, he would probably only get one in three landings to a standard he was happy with.

Having said that, they all seem to have affection for the 727. It really was the workhorse of the '70s in Australia, when the two-airline policy dictated identical equipment on identical routes for identical fares. That meant DC9s and 727s for major routes and Fokker F27s for smaller ones.

I flew 727s for many years. Very hard to land well but otherwise a lovable dump truck.