Most underrated rock drummers

I found the thread on guitarists fun, but as a drummer, this one interests me more personally.

The topic seems self-explanatory, though there are some who will no doubt be mentioned that I’d like to pre-emptively exclude. Ringo Starr, for example: while there’s definitely debate over his skill, there are certainly enough people that appreciate him that he doesn’t qualify as “underrated”. Similarly, someone like Max Weinberg, while not usually brought up in lists like these, I think has achieved plenty of recognition both within the industry and from fans that he can’t reasonably be thought to fit the category. Same applies to, say, Roger Taylor.

Some of my picks (I’m sure I’ll think of others):

Bun E. Carlos (Cheap Trick): Just as steady and basic as Charlie Watts or Phil Rudd (of AC/DC), but almost never mentioned in the same breath. The guy can both swing and pound, often at the same time; non-drummers almost always fail to recognize how difficult (and important) it is to be at this level of understanding of rock rhythmic basics. Key tracks: “Surrender” captures it all.

George Hurley (Minutemen/fIREHOSE): Brought jazz phrasings to punk, and found inventive new uses for the toms. Managed to come up with the perfect beat for his bandmates’ avant garde compositions. More musos should be familiar with his name, but he remains sadly under-regarded. Key tracks: I like pretty much everything he did on the “What Makes A Man Start Fires?” album.

Pete Thomas (The Attractions/The Imposters - Elvis Costello’s backing bands): For my money, the most versatile player in rock, and also the lightest touch. Can perfectly complement any of Costello’s innumerable stylistic exercises with inventiveness and taste. Most people don’t even rate him because they consider him a “backing musician”, but I imagine among musicians he’ll go down as one of the greats someday. Key tracks: “No Action”, “Lipstick Vogue”, “Beyond Belief”.

Bill Berry (R.E.M.): As critic Robert Christgau rightly observed in his '84 review of Reckoning: “As befits good Southerners, their sense of necessity resides in their drummer, which is why the Byrds analogies don’t wash (who ever noticed Michael Clarke?)”. Berry’s drums were as much a part of R.E.M.'s signature sound as anyone else in the band’s contributions, and he, more than anyone, kept the music anchored when a lesser drummer could have easily let it drift off into the ether. Picture the songs from their first 4 albums performed acoustically without percussion and you’ll have an idea of how much propulsion he provided. Key tracks: “Wolves, Lower”, “1,000,000”, “Harborcoat”.

Morris Windsor (The Soft Boys, Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians): Another eminently tasteful drummer who never called attention to himself but always found the absolutely perfect groove for each song. Not much to be said; just a consummate craftsman, while being much more creative than that would imply. Key tracks: “Egyptian Cream”, “Brenda’s Iron Sledge (Live version)”.

Chris Frantz (Talking Heads): Made David Byrne’s quirky-jerky songs danceable. Probably the most incongruous drummer ever in terms of appearance vs. sound; if you saw him on the street, you’d think he was a CPA from Minnesota, but on record he (along with wife Tina Weymouth) laid down the funkiest bottom in all the new wave. Key tracks: “Once In A Lifetime”, “Burning Down The House”.

Topper Headon (The Clash): Strummer & Jones are (rightfully) given credit for expanding the palette of punk with their songwriting leap on London Calling, but there’s no way they could have realized such a conceptual leap with a standard four-on-the-floor punk drummer. Everything they did from '79 on benefitted immensely from having someone with real chops in the drum seat. Key tracks: “Lost in the Supermarket”, “The Right Profile”, “Armagideon Time”, “Straight To Hell”.

As I said, I’m sure I’ll think of more later.

Phil Collins: I think a lot of the pop stuff he did both on his own and with genesis make it easy to forget he’s a great drummer.

“Legs” Larry Smith of the Bonzo Dog Band. Considering how wide a variety of music and beats they played, I find it amazing that he can do whatever is needed.

I have always been blown away by Stewart Copeland (Police)

Both his work with The Police and his various solo gigs (Oysterhead) confirm his wealth of talent.

I also like the fact that he was not afraid to tell Sting to “fuck off you cunt” when it was warrented…

Copeland’s definitely in the top tier of drummers, but there’s no way he’s underrated. He’s extremely highly regarded.

Don’t know if Phil Collins would qualify as underrated, but I’m not a fan, so have never much paid attention to any reviews he’s received. He’s surely got his own style, and I’d accept him as underrated if it turned out he was generally ignored in drum geek discussions/polls.

I’ll have to listen to some Bonzo Dog Band - I’ve got nuthin’ there. I’m definitely willing to check it out.

Well, Bun E. Carlos was actually the first one to pop into mind for me, probably because I’ve been hearing a lot of Cheap Trick lately. So I definitely support that vote.

Matt Cameron perhaps? Maybe not so much underrated, but he’s quite often glossed over. One of my favorite contemporary rock drummers. Rock steady beat, great musicality and subtlety to his playing, always driving the beat forward while inserting tasty accents, but never overplaying.

Mike Joyce? Once again, I don’t know whether you’d consider him underrated or not, but I don’t often hear his name in “best rock drummer”-type discussions.

I like some of the nominees - Bill Berry, who contributed so much to R.E.M. - they haven’t come close to the magic they had when he was in the band. Key tracks: “Moral Kiosk,” “Orange Crush,” “Everybody Hurts” (which he pretty much wrote himself)

Topper Headon - again, The Clash became a different band when he replaced Terry Chimes. Rockabilly, rocksteady, reggae, thrash punk - he could do it all. Plus he wore Bruce Lee’s Game of Death jumpsuit on tour. Also wrote “Rock the Casbah” (the music at least, and recorded all of the parts sans vocals and guitars). Key tracks: “Clampdown,” “Rock The Casbah,” “Bankrobber”

Mike Joyce - he and Andy Rourke are a criminally underrated rhythm section. Morrissey and Marr should have paid him and STFU. Maybe we’d have a chance to see a Smiths reunion… Key tracks: “This Charming Man,” “Hand In Glove,” “The Headmaster Ritual”

Tony Thompson - Chic, Power Station, and any number of sessions (esp. those produced by Nile Rodgers and/or Bernie Edwards. Key tracks: “Get It On (Bang A Gong),” “Some Like It Hot,” “I’m Coming Out”

Terry Chambers - XTC’s drummer. I would consider the guy a savant. Didn’t write, or compose. Just sat in the back and crushed the shit out of the set. One of Hugh Padgham’s gated drum proteges along with Phil Collins. Key tracks: “No Thugs In Our House,” “English Roundabout,” “Making Plans for Nigel”

Rob Hirst - Midnight Oil. A damn good vocalist and lyricist (sang lead on “Kosciosko” and “When The Generals Talk”) as well as bringing the bombast Keith Moon-style. Key tracks: “Best of Both Worlds,” “The Power and the Passion,” “Read About It”

pulykamell and Hippy Hollow - Can’t believe I forgot Joyce, as I had him in mind when I started the thread and totally forgot by the time I finished typing. My key tracks from him would be “The Queen Is Dead” and “London”. Anybody know if he played on Morrissey’s “Interesting Drug”? IIRC, both he and Andy Rourke played on some early Moz stuff, and “Interesting Drug” was always one of my favorites to play.

Not familiar with Matt Cameron (Soundgarden, right?), because I was never a fan, but I’ll give a listen. Recommendations?

Hippy Hollow, excellent choices all. I could have included any of your picks on my list had I racked my brain a bit more (I was listening to Chic’s Greatest Hits earlier this week and thinking how great the musicianship was).

Those first Morrissey tracks were for all intents and purposes Smiths sans Marr. The guitarist was Craig Gannon, who was a Smith in '85, backing up Marr live and playing on a single or two (“Ask” was one). “Last of the Famous International Playboys” as well as “Interesting Drug” were Gannon/Joyce/Rourke.

I love “My Wave.” The time signature is sick and Cameron keeps it chugging along.

I think at long last Tony Thompson is getting his due. People didn’t know that he played on so many great albums (Madonna’s Like A Virgin, for instance, or Robert Palmer’s Riptide).

I’ll also add Stephen Morris (Joy Division, New Order). Programming and live drums. Great with electronics but never overwhelmed him.

Martin Chambers, of the Pretenders.

Pat Mastelotto of Mr. Mister. I really know him for his work on XTC’s Oranges and Lemons. “Across This Antheap” and “Mayor of Simpleton” are cracking tracks and when I listen even today, I’m picking up all kinds of cool stuff in the mix.

Will Calhoun of Living Colour.

Jon Farriss of INXS. Hey, you all rocked out to “Need You Tonight!”

Dave Rowntree of Blur. Looks like an accountant but can play anything.

I dont know if he will fit your criteria for “underrated” but I think that The Band’s Levon Helm is both a great drummer and vocalist, and dosent seem to get a lot of recognition.

His brand new album “Electric Dirt” is a welcome return to form; a solid offering from one of the music worlds’ true elder statesmen…

Oh, jeez, hard to pick a couple. Maybe “Jesus Christ Pose” and “My Wave”? Oddly enough, I’m not big into Soundgarden, either. I first noticed Matt with his work with Pearl Jam (my brother is a HUGE fan and I was sitting watching a live DVD with him that features Matt Cameron). Apparently, the hard core Matt Cameron fans consider his Pearl Jam work too understated, but I thought it was some of the grooviest, tastiest rock drumming. I’m trying to find some stuff on Youtube that features some of the subtlety, but most of the stuff I’m finding is his harder rocking stuff. That said, do check out Even Flow and In My Tree. The guy is just solid. I love his builds, his fills, his accenting and, most of all, his groove. Plus, he’s just beautiful to watch with that efficiency of movement.

Heh. I see we agree. :slight_smile: Yeah, one of the things about Matt, he can make odd time signatures just sing and groove in a way that’s not quite that common in rock. Not that odd time signatures are a rarity – they seem to be getting more and more common – but Matt just makes it feel completely natural, which is how they should sound. They’re so natural, you might not even notice the odd time unless you pay attention.

Matt Cameron has been one of my favorites for a really long time. I dont know what to tell you about specific tracks from a drummer perspective but “Gun” is one of the greatest mosh tunes ever written and Cameron’s Drumming is perfect.

To showcase Matt Cameron I’d probably pick Spoonman.

When I was a college dj, I learned that Bill Berry didn’t keep up a consistent time - at least, not with Talk About the Passion. You just can’t do a scratch mix of that song…

I’m really posting here because I’m chuffed to find another Soft Boys fan (feed the fish birdy!) I don’t know that Morris is underrated as such, more like unknown?

Meanwhile as a guitar player I don’t know if these guys are underrated in the drumming world and while I’m not a fan of the bands I’d mention these two:

Clem Burke of Blondie

The guy in the Arctic Monkeys (I’m off to lunch - can’t be bother to look up his name :))

Matt cameron is awesome. I don’t think he is underrated by the drumming community, but he is probably not properly appreciated by the general music fan.

Creative, interesting parts that really enhance the song. My two favorite albums of his are Temple of the dog (Soundgarden collaboration with Pearl Jam) and Badmotorfinger. Some good drum tracks on those albums are Wooden Jesus, Pushin Forward Back, and Your Saviour on Temple of the Dog and Searching with my Good Eye Closed on Badmotorfinger.

As someone above mentioned, he is much more understated in his work with Pearl Jam.

I agree with **Marley **- Spoonman is a great showcase for Cameron. He’s pounding out 7/8 with aggression - very Grohl-y, but more technically precise to my ear. I also dig My Wave.

Lots of good stuff here. In terms of underrated - or at least more essential to the success of the band than appears at first - I would add to some of the names already mentioned:

  • David Robinson, **The Cars **- very much in the Bun E. Carlos, Phil Rudd rockin’ and simple school. But listen to You’re All I’ve Got to Night or even the basics like Just What I Needed - the groove he establishes is essential to the song - smooth and effortless.

  • **Jimmy Chamberlin, Smashing Pumpkins **- getting past the ego and warbly snarl of Billy Corgan, when you get to the drums underneath Cherub Rock and Bullet with Butterfly Wings you find the engine of the song - especially with 1979.

  • **Dennis Elliott, Foreigner **- I am not the guy to step up and defend the big 70’s rockers" like Journey, Styx, REO or Foreigner - but when Elliott hits his silly little kick-drum-driven fill at the end of the first chorus of the song Seventeen off of Headgames, I still get giggly like a little schoolgirl. Sue me. (sorry I couldn’t find a link to the song…)

Kenny Jones, first of the Small Faces and later the Faces.

If all you’ve ever heard by the Small Faces is “Itchycoo Park (1967),” you’ve been treated to Kenny’s remarkable drumming. It was certainly the first instance of phasing drums I’d ever heard - whether it was THE first, I’ll let the drum scholars here sort that out.

His work on the Small Faces’ magnum opus “Ogden’s Nut Gone Flake” (1968) was mind-blowing, especially on “Rollin’ Over,” “Afterglow,” and “Rene.”

A couple of weeks ago, I opined that the Faces were the greatest rock and roll band ever - a strong statement to be sure, but one that can be backed up in no small part because of Jones’s drumming.

Then, Jones was given the ultimate compliment, and also the ultimate curse, by being picked to succeed Keith Moon in the Who after Moon’s death.

Kenny Aronoff, session guru and mostly associated with John Mellencamp’s work.

Caveat: one of my favorite rock drummers is Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix), but I think he’s pretty highly regarded.