This company has released several videos and articles about this technology but this video has the only explanation of how it actually is supposed to work (video should start right at the explanation). Everything else they’ve said about it is a little shady. They claim that rotating a small magnet inside a permanent magnet armature will make this motor run and produce more power than used to rotate that small magnet. Their proof of concept machine uses a small motor to rotate the small magnet. Clearly the small magnet can’t turn at the same speed of the main motor, it has to punctuate its movement when the armature has lined up in the right position relative to the stator. So if the whole motor produces more power than the small motor then it should be a perpetual motion machine because once the main motor is running it can provide the power to rotate that small magnet.
I would think it takes just as much or more power to move that small magnet sufficiently to alter the magnetic field as would be produced by the motion it induces, that’s the reality of magnet motor designs when they aren’t complete scams. Is this different somehow?
Yep, that right there is the kicker. As soon as you see anything like this, the answer is, “No, it doesn’t work.”
We’ve been waving magnets around in various fancy ways for quite some time now. If there really was a way to get free energy out of this, it would be pretty well-known by now.
They’re relying on the “Magnets, how the fuck do they work?” contingent for finding enough suckers. I’m sure they’ll succeed with this part of their business plan, alas.
I’m sure it’s raising money for them. It might not be an intentional scam if the guy really believes he found something new. Did he discover some kind of more efficient permanent magnet motor somehow? It is all suspicious because he talks of producing ‘more torque’ than the input. Torque can be manipulated, and that’s just one the reasons this sounds shady, but did he find a some kind of ‘better’ permanent magnet based motor even if not some kind of perpetual motion device?
Is there some kind of advantage to this configuration of a motor based on a small armature magnet moving in the center of a larger permanent magnet? Again, it seems to me it takes just as much power to move that small magnet sufficiently to make the large magnets to rotate to the next stator pole as could be extracted from it. Is there some kind of mechanical advantage available to move a magnet within the center of the armature over switching magnetic fields in the stator like a conventional motor with a permanent magnet armature?
I think the answer is likely ‘no’, but just curious if I missed something that makes this absurd right off the bat.
Motoflux may or may not be a scam. They may simply be delusional, instead.
We know how to build motors that are arbitrarily close to 100% efficient. Anything more than that is bogus. The interesting problems left for motors relate to lowering costs and increasing power density while retaining this efficiency.
The demo looks familiar to anyone that’s seen these before. Crucially, what they fail to do is measure the torque of the output part. But power is torque times RPM, so you can’t possibly figure what your efficiency is without measuring that. With no load, you can spin anything up with arbitrarily little power input.
There is/was a product that used a slightly different-from-normal method to amplify the effect of magnetic field line flux, but it did not make outlandish claims, and actually did manufacture working motors using what they called “parallel path” or somesuch.
Thanks, that’s an important point. Yes, possibly delusional, that’s happened before. I’m sure he’s been told it’s impossible, but you can’t easily turn around true-believers.
When they go “over unity”, well, not so much. But I have seen descriptions that do not get all goofy, and it seems kind of like it makes sense. And I could swear I saw a site that was offering actual motors, without outlandish language (just that they were a lot more efficient).
Did you look at the video? You’ll see all the necessary information in less than a minute. His design probably does work because it uses another motor to change magnetic fields. The mechanical motion comes from reluctance. There are reluctance motors. They don’t work like this one, but the principal is sound. It’s the same thing that makes solenoid activators work. In this case the question is whether this motor can provide power more efficiently than any other electrical motor that requires consumption of power to have changing magnetic fields.
There are so many ways to build an electric motor, as well as devices such as “magnetic transmissions,” that you can pretty much come across them by accident. But if you’re using terms like “over unity,” it’s virtually certain that you don’t even know how to measure efficiency.
Magnetic reluctance motors exist. You can even build one without really understanding the principles. But you aren’t going to get a good one from someone talking about over unity.
Gotta look at that for a while. Once again there’s an assumption that a small amount of input can alter magnetic fields to produce a large output. I don’t see that being explained there.
There’s nothing wrong with that, per-se, depending on what’s meant by “output.” A lever can convert a small force into a large force; a suitable arrangement of magnets can do the same. But you’ll never get more energy out than you put in.
