They tried to revive the franchise, but by the time of Apollo 17, the box office receipts had fallen beyond recovery.
No no no no no. I hope the cord is pulled before filming.
Terminator 3- I thought was not too bad a movie. But I agree with others that they changed the whole feel of the storyline. Now it is just fate?! We cannot do anthing?!
My OP was really if you were given a box set of a movie and its sequel(s) would you actually deliberatly throw out the sequel because it detracted from the original or just keep it but never watch the sequel(s).
My answer to that question would be Ocean’s 12, Shrek 2 (I know no-one agrees with me on this),Jaws 3 and Jaws4 (Jaws 2 is not bad), The Santa Clause 2, Speed 2,Star Trek 5,and maybe Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom.
I don’t “throw” away movies, but I’d go out of my way to only get the pieces I want. If I would show my children Star Wars, I would pretend that there was no such thing as Episode I-III.
“Anakin Skywalker? Urban legend, son.”
Oh, I’ll talk to you about it.
The worst movie ever made by professionals (e.g. not counting amateur junk like “Manos, The Hands of Fate.”)
It not only made me enjoy the first one less, it made me enjoy LIVING less. I saw priests walking out of that movie saying “There is no God.”
Even I’m tired of hearing myself mention this one–but it’s definitely THE RETURN OF THE KING.
Oh, and both Matrix sequels. They’re each much worse that ROTK, but I had less invested in the Matrix so I didn’t care.
Except the first one was funny–and it had Linda Fiorentino, who is so sexy that no drabness can conceal it. The second had the frighteningly-thin lass from the Practice.
“Toy Story 2” was origninally supposed to be a direct-to-video sequel in this model. Except that as they were cranking it out, the guys at Pixar had an epiphany. We’re only going to make good movies. Not some good movies and some crap. Everything we put out should be good. Maybe we’ll end up making a crap movie, but we shouldn’t start out with the GOAL of making crap!
So they threw out all the work that had been done on the crap version of Toy Story 2, and started again, this time with the goal of making a good movie.
The sequels didn’t go downhill. They dropped off the edge of a cliff.
I’d like to hear your thoughts on this one. Cervaise’s post about Men in Black 2 comes very close to my feelings about the original Shrek - it’s a movie that coasts by mostly on snark and sarcasm [and in the case of Shrek, a blunt message] and doesn’t really have much else happening. What did the second one lack that the first one had?
Goddamn, I can’t find a SINGLE movie listed in this thread that I disagree with.
The Star Wars prequels, the Matrix sequels, the unmentionable Highlander 2 and Aliens 3, Austin Powers 2…all just completely horrible shit that ruined the previous films to some extent.
I pretty much agree with everyting here, too. But especially Alien 3 and Terminator 3. They absolutely ruined the preceding films to the point that I refuse to even consider them. In the case of T3 it’s not just the philosophical implications, but the cruddy execution and the entire way they handled the John Connor character – no way did Edward Furlong grow up to become that loser.
the moral, I guess, is to not do sequels to James Cameron films. Unless you’re Cameron.
I’d like to add the two sequels to the two versions of The Fly. Both were pretty good films, transcending the source story and bweing pretty decent. But The Son of the Fly, the sequel to the 1957 original, cheaped out by being black and white, with crappy special effects and even crapier script. And the Fly II was pretty awful and nonsensical, suggesting that effects men ought not to direct unless they’re Stan Winston.
Oh, yeah, a few other hatred-inducing sequels:
The Hidden II and its sequel, both of which trash the memory of the often overlooked original The Hidden
Robocop II
Robocop III
and the Robocop TV series. The original film was an unexpected gem. It looked awful and easily could have been, but it was literate and amazingly perceptive and deliberately over-the-top. The sequels didn’t understand this and were ham-handed. Even trying to get Frank Miller to write the sequel didn’t help, especially when they ditched a lot of his input.
Babe was a charming movie.
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Babe II** hurt to watch.
My contribution to this thread is Shanghai Knights. I loved Shanghai Noon, which had a great plot and lots of hilarious elements and send ups. Shanghai Knights didn’t have much of a plot, merely a string of expensive stunts separated by stupid dialogue. I just hope that Pirates of the Caribbean 2, is made with as much care as the first–not just quickly thrown together and used to make as much money as possible.
My feelings about Terminator 3 are a bit more complex than seems to be the consensus. I agree that it was totally untrue to the spirit of T2, which I think is a masterpiece of sci-fi/action. But, I also think that T3 is a far-better-than-average film in its own right. Its stunts and action setpieces are among the best I’ve seen recently, and Claire Danes does an exceptional job as a fairly believable person being caught up in totally unbelievable events.
Not really a sequel but this was my exact sentiment after seeing Kill Bill II. I thought that the clever up-in-the-air ending of the first movie became nothing but a cynical marketing trick because the amount of KBII that consisted of retelling story points I already knew, made it obvious that this was one movie turned into two.
Oh Og, you just sent chills down my spine! Please don’t let PotC suck-it has Bill Nighy as Davy Jones, it can’t suck, right? Please? Somebody?
Escape From L.A. kind of ruined the super-badass Snake Plissken for me.
Term’s of Endearments’ sequel [EMAIL=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116240/]The Evening Star was beyond horrible.
I just wanted to say that saying that Santa Clause 2 ruined Santa Clause is like saying World War II ruined the joyful experience that was World War I for you.